Thoughts on 5.1.4 – Turned Twill Show & Tell

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    • #193129
      Ginette
      Keymaster

        Let us know your thoughts on 5.1.4 – Turned Twill Show & Tell

      • #193180
        loobitzh
        Participant

          Well!!!.

          I’m blown away with this intro to 8 shaft weaving in turned twill.

          So much to learn my head is spinning and can’t wait to get started.

          I recently got an 8 shaft table loom so may take all month to weave all the samples! but sometimes slower makes digesting the theory easier?…

          Marvellous Jane!

        • #193196
          Allyson Marbut
          Participant

            YAH! What a wonderful intro to 2021!  I am in awe of all the different towels you show and cannot wait to try this next project.  Waiting for my yarns to arrive and will get at it. THANKS!

          • #193336
            Gale
            Participant

              Just hard to believe all those beautiful towels came from one warp. I’m looking forward to going through my stash & hopefully coming up with a warp that will produce towels equally as lovely.

              I found the filming a bit dark when Jane was at the blackboard & around the 40 minute mark had difficulty seeing what was being written in the tie-ups.

            • #193361
              Trudy Exton
              Participant

                This was soo great!  Can’t wait to get this on my loom and play.  Each year just keeps getting better Jane

              • #193418
                Brenda Reimer
                Participant

                  My absolute favorite episode so far! So glad I found the JSTonline guild!

                • #193492
                  francet08
                  Participant

                    I love this episode, finally I understand the principle of the turn twill and I can’t wait to come up with a new color of dishcloth. I have lunch while listening to the noise of your trade before going to work and I can not wait to come back to continue. Thank you for passing on your passion, dear Jane.

                     

                  • #193544
                    Tara
                    Participant

                      Thank you for adding a session with 8 shafts. I have a photo example of a project that I want to complete in point twill but have been scratching my head over the colour changes. This is MOST helpful.

                    • #193560
                      Jane Edgett
                      Participant

                        Turned twill is fantastic!  I may get stuck here for awhile (happily).  Sometimes the sound is hard to adjust, I liked

                        being able to use the words.  Jane Edgett

                      • #193627
                        Penny
                        Participant

                          So inspiring! I’m just getting my warp made but have changed the colours and sequence of blocks. It’s taking a while but it will be worth it. Thank you so much Jane.

                        • #193690
                          Lisa
                          Participant

                            Jane, I have been weaving turned twill all this past year and I still come away from watching you having learned so much.  You are such an amazing teacher and I am excited to keep playing with this weave structure for the coming year.  Off to order some JST silk for turned twill scarves…..

                          • #193735
                            Jacquelyn Luke
                            Participant

                              This was definitely my favorite episode, although I say that a lot.  I have an 8 shaft loom, and I have woven turned twill, but I didn’t really understand the structure or what the possibilities were.  So thank you for including this episode.  I understand why the bulk of the episodes are for four shaft looms, but I hope you will occasionally provide at least some discussion of how a weave structure could be used on an 8 shaft loom, and maybe an example or two, so that we are more aware of the possibilities, and the theory behind it.  We can all pull patterns from 8 shaft books, but understanding the theory behind the structure is so much more helpful.

                            • #193766
                              carmen.budan
                              Participant

                                Oh my , this is once again absolutely mind blowing. Now I understand how these blocks work. And those colors…. I’m blown away. Which colors did you use for the thussa silk scarves?

                                Yes, and I would urgently need a recept for how I can turn my 24 hour day into 48 hours 😉. Just gorgeous!

                                Thank you for being such an incredible inspiring teacher.

                                 

                              • #193981
                                mariahughes765
                                Participant

                                  I’ve been weaving (and working full time) until last year. Didn’t plan on retiring the year before pandemic but now I have time to weave and have realized that I needed to learn the how and why of things. I could follow a pattern, but now I’m gaining confidence. My intimidation came from not really understanding the tie-ups. First of all, my first loom (Le Clerc Mira) which I still have and love made sense with “twill is 12,23,34,14). Quickly, I went to a jack and even though I understood it was opposite… I never truly got it until I listened to your lessons. All tha5 to say, Thank you for your teaching style!

                                • #194100
                                  manuscripts1
                                  Participant

                                    Thank you for this inspiring lesson on turned twill.  I’m so very happy to explore 8 shaft weaving and the complexity that is possible!

                                     

                                  • #194273
                                    kemurt
                                    Participant

                                      What an amazing episode!  I am blown away by all the information and possibilities that have opened up from now understanding the structure and seeing all of the examples of what can be done when color is overlaid onto it!  I’m sure I’ll refer to these episodes again and again, as I have done for many of the other excellent lessons you’ve given us, Jane.  Thank you!!!

                                    • #195674
                                      dchiarucci
                                      Participant

                                        Thanks for your teaching and encouraging us to change the tie-ups. I am getting a grasp on turned twill and how tie-ups work!.  I did have a challenge with my 8 harness countermarch ( Julia Glimakra).  I like to take off heddles I am not using. Duh.  So after everything was perfect, I removed the jacks and whoosh, shafts 1-4 all fell down on the side where there were no heddles. I stuck some on the end but I have a narrow loom so they are close  to the edge.  I should have spread some out while threading.  I am not sure if this would have occurred with the Spring’s parallel tie-up.

                                        I am playing with colors I never thought would work together-these are fun!

                                      • #195677
                                        Jane
                                        Participant

                                          I am almost done with towel 7, and having so much fun! And discovered I can change the tie up on my Gilmore from the front! No more lying on the floor, trying to see, etc., etc., etc.! Worth every minute of figuring that one out! The thought of managing the tie up has stopped me from exploring eight shafts—but no more!

                                        • #196820
                                          ruthoem
                                          Participant

                                            Don’t stop saying that you love each structure as you come to it.  That’s just how I (and perhaps most of us) feel.  Especially when we are in your presence.

                                            I’ve done Turned Twill, but now I really understand it, and how to tweek the tieup and treadling to get even more out of it.

                                            Yay Jane!!

                                          • #197031
                                            Beth Napper
                                            Participant

                                              I am so in love with this turned twill episode with all the tieup options. This 7 gauge bamboo scarf is sett at 18 epi and has a lovely drape. I have included framers and broken twill. For my second scarf I am going to change the sett to 16 epi to see how it feels. I now have to get two extra treadles to add to my Spring loom!! So much fun.

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                                            • #197041
                                              diannedavenport
                                              Participant

                                                I finally made it to towel #7, about halfway done.  Looking at the plan for towel #8, I am confused with the instructions starting with “12 picks stripes…Then frame and hem. I am going to see if I can find a visual for it in the at the loom section. We are having rolling blackouts due to weather so very little time to look before losing connection.

                                              • #197067
                                                Jacqueline
                                                Participant

                                                  Beth, that is a beautiful scarf!

                                                • #197078
                                                  Beth Napper
                                                  Participant

                                                    Thank you so much, Jacqueline.

                                                     

                                                  • #197649
                                                    Trudy Exton
                                                    Participant

                                                      I am not sure why I said “each year just keeps getting better” as they are all great!

                                                       

                                                    • #197772
                                                      Ingrid Söchting
                                                      Participant

                                                        Thanks Jane and your community of fellow weavers. This episode on turned twill feels like a game changer in terms of finally understanding, really understanding, the magic of turned twill. I have woven several checkerboard napkins, and now feel so inspired to play with framers and can’t wait to weave scarves. Thank you for your terrific teaching!

                                                      • #198417
                                                        Maureen Janda
                                                        Participant

                                                          Somewhere I saw listed the colors of the bobbins that Jane used from her stash and now I can’t find it. Can anyone help? I need to build my stash of 8/2 cotton.

                                                          I can’t wait to do this episode but need to do Season 4, episodes 7, 8, and 9 first. I had a “hardware failure” in my hip in November, two surgeries in December, skipped Christmas entirely, then while still recovering, broke my scapula in the right shoulder. The sling came off yesterday and I’m going to try winding a warp for Twill and Basketweave. I have so missed weaving.

                                                          Sorry, I hadn’t printed the pdf and I see that Jane listed the colors there.

                                                          Also, Beth that is such a beautiful scarf.

                                                        • #198459
                                                          Pat Morrell
                                                          Participant

                                                            Hi, really excited and looking forward to weaving turned twill.  Just getting my head around the towels woven by Anita Scanlon – would any of the tie ups in the handout give this effect?  Thanks

                                                          • #198552
                                                            Emma Hamilton
                                                            Participant

                                                              How do the diagonal lines sometimes go all the same direction across the whole piece and sometimes opposite?

                                                            • #198560
                                                              Lana
                                                              Participant

                                                                Whew!  Fourteen yards later, my first experience with turned twill has been an eye-opener.  Thanks for the introduction to this technique.  It was well worth the effort.     Lana

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                                                              • #198930
                                                                Pat Morrell
                                                                Participant

                                                                  My apologies, it was Anita Salmon’s towels I referred to in my question.

                                                                  • #198942
                                                                    Sandra
                                                                    Keymaster

                                                                      Pat, the magic in Anita’s towels is in the graphic and the colours she used.  Jane explains the tie-up for these towels and shows it to us at the 18 minute mark of the video.

                                                                  • #199222
                                                                    Elysa Dennett
                                                                    Participant

                                                                      Hi Beth,  Love your scarf so much!  I have been studying it in order to learn more about this very fun Turned Twill and I am wondering what tie up and threading you used?  I like how you were able to have a twill section (in the second photo) where each color slanted in different directions, but then have one solid strip going across the whole scarf one direction.   Thank you!  – Elysa

                                                                    • #199263
                                                                      Elysa Dennett
                                                                      Participant

                                                                        I officially am in LOVE with Turned Twill!  What crazy fun towels.  I still haven’t completely wrapped my mind around how this is even possible. 🙂  They are so beautiful I am having to warp up another 13 yards for more play time before heading into Lace.  What really boggles my mind is that I did not even like the colors of the warp and yet, I love, love, love what it turned into.

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                                                                      • #199264
                                                                        Beth Napper
                                                                        Participant

                                                                          Hi Elysa, thank you so much. I had so much fun just playing with the turned twill options. It is  threaded with just two blocks (one block threaded on 1-4, 2nd block 5-8)and tieups are set out in Jane’s pdf’s as tieup number 2. The change in direction of twill is because one  block is weft faced and the other is warp faced. then the framers are all weft faced. I see you did a beautiful job of your towels. I too have a ten yard warp on my loom for more turned twill. Can’t get enough.

                                                                        • #199278
                                                                          Elysa Dennett
                                                                          Participant

                                                                            Thank you Beth!  I thought it was tie up #2, so thank you.  I will see if I can reproduce in the next set of towels.   I am just beginning to understanding how this incredible thing works.  😉   Thanks for liking my towels.  I tried to upload more as they are all so different, but for some reason when I did more then 2 towels my post would delete itself.  In any case, I am warping up 13 yards of a different color warp, same pattern, but blue, turquoise and green.  It will be weeks before I get to marvel at them coming off the warping beam. 😉  Can’t wait!!

                                                                          • #199333
                                                                            Patty
                                                                            Participant

                                                                              Can you explain your theory of  “framing”?  It doesn’t appear to be just a solid line of a different color…

                                                                              Also, when you weave 4 shots of 1 color, 4 shots of another, etc.,  do you carry one color along the selvedge or cut and tuck the ends?

                                                                               

                                                                              Thank you!

                                                                            • #199367
                                                                              Sandra
                                                                              Keymaster

                                                                                Framing means you put a frame one colour with another colour – it can be done with one pick or 20+, depending on your design.  The framing using Twill switches the surface of the fabric from warp faced to weft faced, or vice versa, bringing another colour up to the surface.  Watch Jane show us in the Turned Twill Show and Tell.  You can play with it on graph paper or in Fiberworks, if you have it, to understand the effect.  I would tuck my tails in, because I don’t like having loops hanging on the side of my towels or scarves 😉

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                                                                              • #199421
                                                                                Patty
                                                                                Participant

                                                                                  Ok!  I went back to Turned Twill at the Loom episode.  Jane shows the tie up with4 extra treadles tying 15, 26, 37 and 48.  She explains that those  4 treadles are used for framing.  Does that mean that we need 12 treadles?

                                                                                  • #199480
                                                                                    Sandra
                                                                                    Keymaster

                                                                                      No, you don’t need 12 treadles – you change the tie-up to the one that Jane used to create the tea towel you will weave next.  Jane gives us the tie-up # she used at the top of the directions for each towel.

                                                                                  • #199580
                                                                                    Elysa Dennett
                                                                                    Participant

                                                                                      I also had some fun with tie-up #6 where I wove 1-8 then 7-2 and back again.  It made a beautiful pattern.

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                                                                                      And the texture is lovely.

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                                                                                    • #199727
                                                                                      Jennifer Tennant
                                                                                      Participant

                                                                                        A friend had requested a scarf in blue and black so decided it would be a good time to practice turned twill .  Still trying to do some stash busting so IMG_3712used Tencel  which I had leftover from previous projects. Unfortunately the colours looked washed out in the picture but it is black and royal blue

                                                                                      • #200246
                                                                                        rziperman
                                                                                        Participant

                                                                                          I loved this weave. But I had a few problems. I warped with 8/2 , sometimes cotton, sometimes cottolin.  I didn’t do a very good job of spreading out my heddles on shafts 5-8 so I had quite a few extra crammed onto the sides and it did somewhat impede the width of the warp.  So… I wove towels 1 and 2 and was somewhat happily weaving along when I finally looked at the backside and realized that I had alot of skipped warp threads. An unfixable amount. I cut off those towels, unpleasantly removed the extra heddles from my baby wolf, retied and wove happily. BUT, I still had to advance the warp more often than I usually do and really check for those skipped warp threads which still happened from time to time and I unwove and rewove.  Any advice on this? I was so relieved to get the last run of towels off that I’m not sure I would do this weave again. Was it the cottolin? Most of the stickiness did seem to be there. Any advice or comments are appreciated. P.S. I willingly admit that sometimes the errors that I had to unweave were treadling errors where my mind said one way and my feet went another.

                                                                                          • #200363
                                                                                            Sandra
                                                                                            Keymaster

                                                                                              Cottolin and 8/2 cotton work well together, so that shouldn’t be the problem.  I wonder about your tension while winding on and if you were able to keep it even.  Did you notice this problem in any of the Twills on 4 samples, you naturally do have longer floats in twill.  I personally can’t think of any reason you would have floats on the bottom, unless some of your threads missed being in heddles – which I’m sure you caught when denting.  Maybe someone else has an idea.

                                                                                          • #200311
                                                                                            Elysa Dennett
                                                                                            Participant

                                                                                              Hi rziperman, Thank you for bringing this up I actually had the exact same problem so I’m looking forward to seeing what Jane has to say about it.

                                                                                              I wasn’t having any problems with my threading but when I took the towels off I could not believe the number of floats I had.

                                                                                              One thing I found interesting is how the warp on heddles 5, 6, 7, 8,  wouldn’t lay on he beater race, but sat raised a good quarter of an inch high. The warp on heddles 1, 2, 3, 4 sat against the shuttle race. I don’t know why warp on one set of headles would lie on the shuttle race and the other wouldn’t.  I am weaving on a Spring Loom.

                                                                                              • #200362
                                                                                                Sandra
                                                                                                Keymaster

                                                                                                  You might find tips for tweaking your Spring Loom in the Knowledge Base, particularly under the topic of Louet Looms Specific Questions – Spring.

                                                                                                • #200379
                                                                                                  Jane
                                                                                                  Keymaster

                                                                                                    Hi Elysa

                                                                                                    There is no reason why you can’t weave turned twill on a Spring. The entire series of towels were woven  on a Spring.  Floats can happen consistently if there is an error in the tie-up but yours sound random.  You can raise the beater on your Spring by adjusting the feet on the beater.  You can unscrew them a bit and that will raise the beater so the shuttle race is supporting the bottom shed.  Of course you need to do the adjustment on both sides of the loom.  I am assuming your lease sticks were out….they can sometimes prevent sheds from opening to their fullest.

                                                                                                    Hope this helps a bit.

                                                                                                    Cheers,

                                                                                                    Jane

                                                                                                     

                                                                                                • #200366
                                                                                                  rziperman
                                                                                                  Participant

                                                                                                    No, I’ve never had this problem before. That’s why it was so surprising, disappointing and random. In one towel, for example, there is one square that has two floats in 2 different places. Otherwise, the towel is perfect. Another towel has one skipped thread in one square. Just enough to ruin it for me. The threading is spot on. And once I removed those extra heddles, my tension was also good – that was definitely, I think,  a factor in the first two. So, I am flummoxed by the problem. I also love cottolin and have never had it be sticky before, but the random floats were in those areas. I am wondering if I dare try this again but on a heavier loom, my Macomber.

                                                                                                    • #200367
                                                                                                      Sandra
                                                                                                      Keymaster

                                                                                                        It is weird – I’ve woven Turned Twill on my David loom – which is a light loom – and never had this problem.  I honestly can’t think of what might be happening without standing there with you beside your loom, but hopefully someone else can suggest something.

                                                                                                      • #200386
                                                                                                        Jane
                                                                                                        Keymaster

                                                                                                          Hi Robin,

                                                                                                          I’m sorry you had skips too…..and it sounds like yours were random as well.  Treadling errors definitely cause these events….too loose a tension could cause them.  To many heddles might account for skips at the edges but not in the middle.  You can raise the beater on wolf looms by adjusting them at the bottom.  There are adjustment points on the inside of the beater legs…you just loosen the nuts, pull the beater up and then tighten them again.  Cottolin at 20 epi should not be sticky with that weave structure because the floats are always over 3.  Again….I’m not sure if this is helpful and it is always so hard to diagnose these problems without being present.  I do hope you try again….it is such a fabulous weave structure.

                                                                                                          Cheers,

                                                                                                          Jane

                                                                                                           

                                                                                                      • #200906
                                                                                                        Betsy Dickinson
                                                                                                        Participant

                                                                                                          Love how these turned out. I had so much fun playing with all the color and weave aspects as well!

                                                                                                           

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                                                                                                        • #201753
                                                                                                          Robin Coulehan
                                                                                                          Participant

                                                                                                            Good morning team. I am ready to wind my warp for the turned twill project. Instead of the taupe, I happen to have a medium grey and dark grey.  If this were plain weave I wouldn’t hesitate to wind two in hand-1 of each knowing that the two shades together would add interest. My question is will using both shades work for the 3/1, 1/3 weave structure?

                                                                                                            Robin C

                                                                                                             

                                                                                                          • #201765
                                                                                                            Sandra
                                                                                                            Keymaster

                                                                                                              You’ll be fine, Robin – you’ll have a blended grey which should be quite attractive.

                                                                                                            • #208726
                                                                                                              Joy Sceviour
                                                                                                              Participant

                                                                                                                On a technical note, Jane, is there a way to turn my table loom (24″ LeClerc Voyaguer) into a floor loom? I love the turned twill projects, but do you know how long it would take me to weave 13 yards????? Perhaps not in this lifetime. LOL

                                                                                                              • #208861
                                                                                                                Robin Coulehan
                                                                                                                Participant

                                                                                                                  A successful oops on towel #4. I missed the tie-up of shafts  1,2,3, (countermarch) on treadle # 5.  The error produced an horizontal line in the gold and red stripes  Particularly pleasing with the overall design.  Lesson learned—double check the tie-up. Lesson learned, try this again to add interest—experiment  987CBF20-3AAF-4935-BE8C-75E3340BC23E

                                                                                                                • #208872
                                                                                                                  Beth Napper
                                                                                                                  Participant

                                                                                                                    I did that too, Robin. Only didn’t notice it until the second towel only it didn’t show on the top side! You are not alone.

                                                                                                                  • #211067
                                                                                                                    Kimberley Daniel
                                                                                                                    Participant

                                                                                                                      Hi Joy, I have an Ashford table loom and was able to purchase a treadle kit for it so I now have foot treadles instead of the levers. Weaving goes much faster. Perhaps your model has something similar?20201208_154455

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