Thoughts on 4.9.2 – Weft Faced Twills at the Loom

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    • #181716
      Ginette
      Keymaster

      Let us know your thoughts on Weft Faced Twills at the Loom

    • #182072
      kemurt
      Participant

      This was great, Jane, as usual!  Thank you.

      When weaving the PC 21 sequence that went from right to left, had I not seen the video, I would have read the sequence from right to left (like a threading draft).  Also, I didn’t realize that when going right to left, you ‘go down the hill’, rather than start on shaft 1.  So, two good things about the patterning notation learned from watching you weave, Jane.

      I’m blown away by all the possibilities and how much is possible with color and weave effects–unbelievable!

      Karen

    • #182874
      Nina Kennedy
      Participant

      Jane said something about revising the hemstitching pdf to include Italian hemstitching but I can’t find it. Is it done – not trying to hurry her I am just not sure if I missed it 🙂

    • #184383
      Jane
      Participant

      I just downloaded the Weft Faced Twills draft info, and the Italian Hem Stitch info is on page 4

    • #184635
      Joy Sceviour
      Participant

      I have a few questions about this interesting episode.  How do you change direction to get a zig-zag pattern?  Ex.: #6 and #7

      Can you weave place mats and table runners using 8/2 cotton for both warp and weft or would these be too heavy?  Can you use this weaving technique for wool scarves, or, again, would there be no drape to snuggle warmly around a person’s neck?

      • #184938
        Sandra
        Keymaster

        Hi Joy, you should go back and review Season 4: Episode 9.1 Weft Faced at the Table.  Jane explains it there.  This episode is about Weft Faced weaving – the samples that Jane is weaving would be awesome for rugs using the Quebecois wool.  You could make placemats using 8/4 or 8/8 cotton as your weft, and if you put on a warp of 8/2 why not weave a sample using 8/2 as a weft and see if you like the result.

    • #185397
      Liz Kimber
      Participant

      Im confused to the threading and tie ups used. I want to recreate #14 but having tried both in iweaveit i couldnt get close

      • #185583
        Ginette
        Keymaster

        Hi Liz,

        Are you able to set iweaveit to weft faced so only the weft shows? I haven’t used iweaveit in so long, can’t remember if it has that option.

    • #185432
      Joy Sceviour
      Participant

      Thank you, Sandra!  I hope we don’t get shut down because of Covid, but, if we do, I’ll weave, weave, weave.  I agree that it has been a great year, sometimes taking in a steep learning curve, but always an interesting challenge.  Gotta keep the grey matter moving, eh?

      Happy Holidays to you and all the crew.  I really appreciate this online guild.

      Joy

    • #185712
      Liz Kimber
      Participant

      Yes and i did. But they always came out wrong. https://imgur.com/a/bcbf16e

      here you see doing treddles 1,2,3 for thr first half a red stripe for the break and then 5,6,7,8 as a twill treddling.

      neither are #14 so please tell me where im being dumb because id really like to use this but without knowing where im being stupid it could just end up a proper epic fail

      • #185734
        Ginette
        Keymaster

        Liz, looking at #K14 on the lesson draft, weft is DDDLL, treadled with a Point Twill treadling – 1, 2, 3, 2, 1..  On your picture (thanks for that by the way!), it looks like you did DDLLDDD? Did you use a point twill treadling or straight draw treadling?

         

         

    • #185738
      Liz Kimber
      Participant

      Um #14 is DLDDL  with what shows as straight  draw.  To confirm i was trying to do this https://imgur.com/a/5NlNgcE

      but using the tie up pdf you can see in my original picture iid the krokbradt one on treddles 1-3 and twill 5-8 so going 123 or 5678 should have produced the picture but neither are that close

      • #185745
        Ginette
        Keymaster

        I see, I saw you had the Krokbragd Tie-up on your picture and thought that’s what you were trying to go for. Ok, so I’ve done #14 DLDDL in a straight 2/2 treadling 1, 2, 3, 4 on Fibreworks and I’m ending with this, but on the loom it’ll be woven tighter.

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        • #185749
          Ginette
          Keymaster

          Just one more question, do you have this sample on the loom to give it a try?

    • #185754
      Liz Kimber
      Participant

      Well i did explain i had done both in trying to work it out. And the top half was krokbragt the other half twill. See yours cones out looking like a normal twill which kinda makes no sense either because the light dark balances arent even and it doesn’t look to have used your yellow and green.  But none of us have one that looks like the picture. Even if you scrunch it up more theres a clear colour break in the diagonal of dark and a perfect line of light.

      • #185799
        Ginette
        Keymaster

        not sure where my reply went….. we’re trying to see how we can do it on Fiberworks without the warp showing but not having success but we’re working on it!

    • #185756
      Liz Kimber
      Participant

      No. Sadly loom has plain weave tea towels on and not in a 4 shaft load so i cant try.

      • #185806
        Sandra
        Keymaster

        The only way you are going to find out if you are happy with that pattern is to put it onto your loom, Liz.  Have you done any of these samples?  One of the things that is different with this set of samples is that the linen is strong and lets the weft move over it.  Therefore, as you can see from the video, the weft completely covers the warp as Jane beats it in.  It’s hard to imagine it by doing it in Fiberworks or iWeave it.  I have a friend who always tells me to “just suspend disbelief” and just do it.  When you get it on your loom and are weaving it can you post a photo?  Someday weaving software may be able to take the texture of yarns into the software design process, we can always hope!

    • #188189
      Ruth Johnson
      Participant

      I got this all wound onto the loom and started working on the little mini rugs but my floating selvages kept breaking. Not just once or twice but about every two inches. I used the recommended linen for the warp which i had used for the warp faced plain weave lesson some time back with no issues. The only thing I can figure is it is just so incredibly dry in Alberta right now that the linen has no resilience. Anyhow my question is what would be a good alternate for the linen?

    • #189001
      Carmen Kight
      Participant

      A wool that has 12 wraps per inch is working for me. You can try spraying the linen warp with spray starch too. I have also wound and chained warps and soaked them in warm water and laundry starch and beamed them on when dry, that worked wonders once when I had a yarn I wanted to use that kept fraying at the reed and breaking, no more problems. I didn’t measure, just poured in a “dollop” and soaked for half an hour. Linen is such a great warp yarn for rugs in the end. I’m only using the wool because I have it in my stash and know it will work.

      • This reply was modified 1 year, 1 month ago by Carmen Kight.
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    • #193676
      Chrysalis
      Participant

      I have a question about K9 if you please.  My weaving looks nothing like the example.

       

      “inspired by K7”  6LDD…  so I’m weaving LDD on Krokbragd threading 6 times in a row and then again and again.  I’m thinking you mean 6L then DD repeat repeat repeat. I’ll go try it.  Comments?

       

      • #193738
        Sandra
        Keymaster

        I’m guessing, Chrysalis, that you have already found your answer – if not … sample them both ways – you may have discovered a new design 😉   Let us know.

    • #193827
      Chrysalis
      Participant

      YESSSS  just typing it after a good nights sleep.. all became clear.  Thanks for getting back anywho!!!!

       

    • #197436
      joan horwich
      Participant

      Hi  Is there any way to go from tabby (1,3. 2,4) to twill or vice versa without exposing warp threads?  I’ve tried every combination that I can think of without any luck

      thanks. joan

       

       

    • #197444
      Sandra
      Keymaster

      Hi Joan, have you had a chance to watch the video on Justifying Plain Weave – Season 4 Episode 1, video 2?  Jane explains it all on the board in that lesson.

    • #197531
      joan horwich
      Participant

      I will go back and watch it again.  Thanks

       

    • #197800
      kathleen ready
      Participant

      Just sampled some of the many designs. I am rethreading a twill pattern to weave on opposites. I was surprised that I didn’t have to beat really firmly. Also didn’t need a temple. My draw in was about the same as regular weaving. It looks crooked but it’s not, just an optical illusion.

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    • #199362
      Lindsay Robb
      Participant

      Just started the sampler on my Lillstina rug loom. This is going to be so much fun! Thank you! 😆💙
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    • #213378
      Lindsay Robb
      Participant

      Hello again! Still working through the sampler slowly but gardening season is here 😉  I did the samplers backwards – twill/krokbragd first and since I’ll have extra warp I went back to watch the p.w. weft-faced and do that sampler. I was hoping the warp and weft Jane used would be the same (it is) but I also assumed I’d have to resley to a different sett since we’re now doing p.w.  But I don’t?  Both the twill sampler and the p.w. sampler are at 5epi.

      Can you maybe explain why? Did I miss something in the video that explains it?  I’m wondering if maybe p.w. covers the warp more easily simply because it’s only going over 1 warp thread, so I don’t need to resley to a wider sett.  Is that it maybe?  Thank you!

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