Thoughts on 4.4.2 – Point Twill At The Loom

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    • #163981
      Ginette
      Keymaster

        Let us know your thoughts on 4.4.2 – Point Twill At The Loom

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      • #164123
        ccrawford20
        Participant

          Thanks Jane, You explained everything so perfectly.  I was able to really wrap my head around it.

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        • #164768
          Penny
          Participant

            I have really enjoyed watching these videos. Jane explains things so well. Unfortunately I cannot weave the gamp as I only have my 40cm Jane table loom available. So I have used 2/8 cotton and have amended the threading sections  so that I was able to fit the warp on the loom. I have had to omit the largest threading, but I can always do another one.

            I have two problems and hope you can help. I tried to amend the lifts to compensate for the fact that mine is a rising shed and Jane is using a sinking shed loom. So my sequence is 34, 14, 12, 23, 12,14; however I do not appear to be getting the correct diamond pattern in the smallest threading. As for the basket weave dividers, these are threaded 33,11,33 as in the instructions, but what shafts do I use when weaving the dividers?

            Thanks Penny

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            • #164831
              Sandra
              Keymaster

                Just a thought, Penny – since you have toggles, not treadles on your Jane, have you tried toggling the draft the way Jane has written it?  That way your expected result might be on the top, not the underside of your cloth.

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            • #165160
              sweetbayfiber
              Participant

                This question has come up over the years and the answers I’ve gotten have contradicted each other constantly. Maybe you can clarify it for me!  Are the terms Rose-path and Rose Fashion interchangeable or do they have different meanings?

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              • #165194
                Sandra
                Keymaster

                  I asked Jane to weight in on your question, here is her answer………

                  They are different.  Rosepath is a threading…rose fashion is a treading.  Rosepath is when you thread the point twill and turn on the 5th thread and then reverse.  1,2,3,4,1,4,3,2,….and Rose fashion is when you treadle the opposite direction of tromp as writ.  So if the twill was threaded 1,2,3,4…Tromp as writ would mean you treadle the sequence 1,2,3,4…but rose fashion you treadle 4,3,2,1…it changes from an X shaped twill to a diamond 🙂

                  So there you go or at least that is what I have always believed.

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                • #165714
                  sweetbayfiber
                  Participant

                    Thank you so much for clarifying the difference. I’ve been weaving for over 20 years and have attended numerous classes, workshops and schools but every time I get Online to go to ‘school’ with you I learn something new to me!  I am grateful for the opportunity to do your online guild.

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                  • #165717
                    Penny
                    Participant

                      Hi Jane

                      I have really enjoyed weaving this gamp, even though I have had to amend the threading to get it on my little Jane loom! Your diagrams have really helped me understand the way the patterns are created and have introduced me to an entirely new way of thinking. Every time I think I’ve run out of ideas, I think of another combination I haven’t tried and I am dreading getting to the end of my warp! As someone who has relied on pattern books, magazines and the internet, I now have my very own “pattern book” that I can use in my projects and they are entirely my own creation! Thank you so much for this truly wonderful lesson. Penny

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                      • #165736
                        Jane
                        Keymaster

                          That made my day Penny 🙂

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                      • #165882
                        camero1949
                        Participant

                          How do I change the warp numbers to fit my 70 cm David?

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                        • #165889
                          Sandra
                          Keymaster

                            Jane has suggested that you do it with two warps.  You could do the 2 on the left side separately, which would give you lots of room for each warp.  Or, if you like the look of 4 of them and there are 2 that don’t interest you as much, you could adapt your warp and just weave the ones that appeal to you most.  Or – you wouldn’t have as big a sample, but you certainly have room to weave it with 8/2 cotton at 22 or 24 epi and ppi.

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                          • #166594
                            Susan Ott
                            Participant

                              When I began Jane’s lessons I threaded my shuttle the way she did and used it with the thread exiting the shuttle on the far side.   Now I see that she is using the thread coming out on the side nearest her.  What are the reasons for this change?  Or did I misinterpret the earlier lesson?

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                              • #166613
                                Sandra
                                Keymaster

                                  It doesn’t really matter, but she normally holds it so the thread feeds towards the fell.

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                              • #167161
                                sylvia.lowry
                                Participant

                                  Hello Jane,
                                  Any chance of an 8 shaft draft for the twill gamp? I really want to be able to have that basket weave stripe with 8 shaft twill.
                                  Sylvia

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                                  • #167611
                                    Sandra
                                    Keymaster

                                      Hi Sylvia, the focus is on 4 shaft looms and Jane and the studio are currently busy creating and recording the rest of this seasons’ videos in a COVID world.  The next episode covers designing your own cloth, and I think will give you some ideas on how to design twills.

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                                  • #168316
                                    Brenda Reimer
                                    Participant

                                      Is this draft for a rising or sinking shed loom? I never remember and can’t tell for certain which loom Jane is using. I don’t want to go back through the whole video to find the answer. Thanks. Loving this lesson!

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                                      • #168326
                                        Sandra
                                        Keymaster

                                          Hi Brenda,  this is the answer that Jane has given to a similar question.  Hope it helps.

                                          I’m sorry this is confusing…..it really doesn’t matter how you tie it up….you will get exactly the same thing….just on the other side. With plain weave and the 2/2 twill it won’t matter one bit….it will be the same….with the basket weave and twill it will be the same….same same same. With the turned twill is just reverses the blocks. The best thing is to put it on your loom and tie it up for sinking or rising shed and it will all work out.

                                          Where the difference really matters is when you are weaving more complex structures like overshot, or crackle or summer and winter, even laces, in structures where one side of the cloth will look completely different than the other side…… and if you don’t understand the weave structure and you are looking at a picture and your weaving doesn’t look the same in the least…then look underneath the loom and voila….your pattern is there. You have two options at that point….keep going or change the tie-up by reversing it….all your empty tie-boxes become full with numbers and all your full tie-up boxes become empty and it will bring the pattern you are expecting to see to the other side.

                                          (I know that the turned twill has two different sides but you will still get both of them no matter how you tie it up….your right side treadles make one surface and your left side treadles make the other surface…so you could just reverse those).

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                                      • #168924
                                        Carol
                                        Participant

                                          did you discuss the tie-up for this large twill gamp?  Did I miss it?

                                           

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                                          • #169261
                                            Sandra
                                            Keymaster

                                              The tie-up is at the top of page 2 (when you flip it to landscape) of the episode handout page and duplicated on page 11 of the Twills on Four hand-out we were given at the beginning of this adventure.

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                                          • #169195
                                            bzbbell
                                            Participant

                                              I would like to understand something that Jane did when she ran out of yarn with just one pick left to complete a section. She pulled the tail of the thread that was finishing to the front of the cloth and when she started the new bobbin, she pulled the thread to the very beginning of the cloth, not leaving a tail. Can you explain?

                                              Thanks.

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                                            • #170243
                                              Ruth Anne
                                              Participant

                                                Was there a length that you suggested for this gamp? I did a ‘guesstimate’ for 3 pieces, and put on 7 yards.  As I was winding, I was nervous that I would run out of the nile green even though I had ordered 2 cones.  Pretty sure that any longer and I would have run out.  This is the widest warp I have ever woven…any hints?  Ruth Anne

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                                                • #170261
                                                  Sandra
                                                  Keymaster

                                                    Hi Ruth Anne, Jane gives the length of the warp length needed for the samples as well as the number of 8/4 cotton cones plus the colours she used on the first page of  the Point Twill sheet.  Were you able to download the PDF?

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                                                • #170262
                                                  Ruth Anne
                                                  Participant

                                                    Thanks, I was using the draft, noted as page 11.  Have now downloaded the pdf for this specific episode.  Any hints on the width?  And for a baby blanket, it is best to fringe or hem? I noticed that on one of the show and tell samples it was hemmed.

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                                                    • #170285
                                                      Sandra
                                                      Keymaster

                                                        The information about width, size of samples, etc. is also on the first page of the episode PDF.  Sometimes items that will often be washed, will likely last longer if they are hemmed.  Hope this helps.

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                                                    • #170331
                                                      Patricia
                                                      Participant

                                                        Hi I have fulled my first sample and I notice that sometimes the weft goes over 3 warp threads and sometimes under 3 warp threads. This does not look right in the pattern. I have checked my threading, all ok. Am weaving to check my warp sequences and they are also ok but this is happening again. It happens when treadle 1follows treadle 2.  So some patterns of the six patterns across are ok but others not. Any ideas what I am doing wrong? Patricia

                                                         

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                                                        • #170366
                                                          Sandra
                                                          Keymaster

                                                            Have you checked your tie-ups, Patricia?  It sounds like you might have a 3/1-1/3 tie-up that you are using.

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                                                        • #171312
                                                          Sheila
                                                          Participant

                                                            I just finished my TAW gamp and am so excited!! It’s so amazing to watch the patterns emerge. Tomorrow I start playing with different ideas.  Thank you!

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                                                          • #180050
                                                            Ginny
                                                            Participant

                                                              Could we talk about treading a twill?  I use my left foot for treadles 1 & 2 and right foot for treadles 3 & 4. I am unable to get a rhythm in a twill when treadle a 1-2-1 sequence for example, as I am using only my left foot for all three so it is slow.   Any suggestions?

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                                                            • #180061
                                                              Ettabb
                                                              Participant

                                                                I usually tie up my treadles so I alternate feet while treadling. So treadle 1 right foot, treadle 2 left foot, treadle 3 right, treadle 4 left. I find it helps with good rhythm. It isn’t helpful with every treadling sequence but often it is.

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                                                              • #180856
                                                                Sue Brady
                                                                Participant

                                                                  Is this loom a Spring 90 or 110?

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                                                                  • #180857
                                                                    Sandra
                                                                    Keymaster

                                                                      The 110, Susan.

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                                                                  • #180928
                                                                    Sue Brady
                                                                    Participant

                                                                      Thanks!

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