Thoughts on 4.4.2 – Point Twill At The Loom

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    • #163981
      Ginette
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        Let us know your thoughts on 4.4.2 – Point Twill At The Loom

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      • #164123
        ccrawford20
        Participant

          Thanks Jane, You explained everything so perfectly.  I was able to really wrap my head around it.

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        • #164768
          Penny
          Participant

            I have really enjoyed watching these videos. Jane explains things so well. Unfortunately I cannot weave the gamp as I only have my 40cm Jane table loom available. So I have used 2/8 cotton and have amended the threading sections  so that I was able to fit the warp on the loom. I have had to omit the largest threading, but I can always do another one.

            I have two problems and hope you can help. I tried to amend the lifts to compensate for the fact that mine is a rising shed and Jane is using a sinking shed loom. So my sequence is 34, 14, 12, 23, 12,14; however I do not appear to be getting the correct diamond pattern in the smallest threading. As for the basket weave dividers, these are threaded 33,11,33 as in the instructions, but what shafts do I use when weaving the dividers?

            Thanks Penny

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            • #164831
              Sandra
              Keymaster

                Just a thought, Penny – since you have toggles, not treadles on your Jane, have you tried toggling the draft the way Jane has written it?  That way your expected result might be on the top, not the underside of your cloth.

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            • #165160
              sweetbayfiber
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                This question has come up over the years and the answers I’ve gotten have contradicted each other constantly. Maybe you can clarify it for me!  Are the terms Rose-path and Rose Fashion interchangeable or do they have different meanings?

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              • #165194
                Sandra
                Keymaster

                  I asked Jane to weight in on your question, here is her answer………

                  They are different.  Rosepath is a threading…rose fashion is a treading.  Rosepath is when you thread the point twill and turn on the 5th thread and then reverse.  1,2,3,4,1,4,3,2,….and Rose fashion is when you treadle the opposite direction of tromp as writ.  So if the twill was threaded 1,2,3,4…Tromp as writ would mean you treadle the sequence 1,2,3,4…but rose fashion you treadle 4,3,2,1…it changes from an X shaped twill to a diamond 🙂

                  So there you go or at least that is what I have always believed.

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                • #165714
                  sweetbayfiber
                  Participant

                    Thank you so much for clarifying the difference. I’ve been weaving for over 20 years and have attended numerous classes, workshops and schools but every time I get Online to go to ‘school’ with you I learn something new to me!  I am grateful for the opportunity to do your online guild.

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                  • #165717
                    Penny
                    Participant

                      Hi Jane

                      I have really enjoyed weaving this gamp, even though I have had to amend the threading to get it on my little Jane loom! Your diagrams have really helped me understand the way the patterns are created and have introduced me to an entirely new way of thinking. Every time I think I’ve run out of ideas, I think of another combination I haven’t tried and I am dreading getting to the end of my warp! As someone who has relied on pattern books, magazines and the internet, I now have my very own “pattern book” that I can use in my projects and they are entirely my own creation! Thank you so much for this truly wonderful lesson. Penny

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                      • #165736
                        Jane
                        Keymaster

                          That made my day Penny 🙂

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                      • #165882
                        camero1949
                        Participant

                          How do I change the warp numbers to fit my 70 cm David?

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                        • #165889
                          Sandra
                          Keymaster

                            Jane has suggested that you do it with two warps.  You could do the 2 on the left side separately, which would give you lots of room for each warp.  Or, if you like the look of 4 of them and there are 2 that don’t interest you as much, you could adapt your warp and just weave the ones that appeal to you most.  Or – you wouldn’t have as big a sample, but you certainly have room to weave it with 8/2 cotton at 22 or 24 epi and ppi.

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                          • #166594
                            Susan Ott
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                              When I began Jane’s lessons I threaded my shuttle the way she did and used it with the thread exiting the shuttle on the far side.   Now I see that she is using the thread coming out on the side nearest her.  What are the reasons for this change?  Or did I misinterpret the earlier lesson?

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                              • #166613
                                Sandra
                                Keymaster

                                  It doesn’t really matter, but she normally holds it so the thread feeds towards the fell.

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                              • #167161
                                sylvia.lowry
                                Participant

                                  Hello Jane,
                                  Any chance of an 8 shaft draft for the twill gamp? I really want to be able to have that basket weave stripe with 8 shaft twill.
                                  Sylvia

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                                  • #167611
                                    Sandra
                                    Keymaster

                                      Hi Sylvia, the focus is on 4 shaft looms and Jane and the studio are currently busy creating and recording the rest of this seasons’ videos in a COVID world.  The next episode covers designing your own cloth, and I think will give you some ideas on how to design twills.

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                                  • #168316
                                    Brenda Reimer
                                    Participant

                                      Is this draft for a rising or sinking shed loom? I never remember and can’t tell for certain which loom Jane is using. I don’t want to go back through the whole video to find the answer. Thanks. Loving this lesson!

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                                      • #168326
                                        Sandra
                                        Keymaster

                                          Hi Brenda,  this is the answer that Jane has given to a similar question.  Hope it helps.

                                          I’m sorry this is confusing…..it really doesn’t matter how you tie it up….you will get exactly the same thing….just on the other side. With plain weave and the 2/2 twill it won’t matter one bit….it will be the same….with the basket weave and twill it will be the same….same same same. With the turned twill is just reverses the blocks. The best thing is to put it on your loom and tie it up for sinking or rising shed and it will all work out.

                                          Where the difference really matters is when you are weaving more complex structures like overshot, or crackle or summer and winter, even laces, in structures where one side of the cloth will look completely different than the other side…… and if you don’t understand the weave structure and you are looking at a picture and your weaving doesn’t look the same in the least…then look underneath the loom and voila….your pattern is there. You have two options at that point….keep going or change the tie-up by reversing it….all your empty tie-boxes become full with numbers and all your full tie-up boxes become empty and it will bring the pattern you are expecting to see to the other side.

                                          (I know that the turned twill has two different sides but you will still get both of them no matter how you tie it up….your right side treadles make one surface and your left side treadles make the other surface…so you could just reverse those).

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