Thoughts on 4.3.3 – Small Threadings Gamp at the Table

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    • #160310
      Ginette
      Keymaster

        Let us know your thoughts on 4.3.3 – Small Threadings Gamp at the Table

      • #160377
        bzbbell
        Participant

          I’d love to use 8/2 cotton for this, rather than 8/4, as I have gobs of it. What do you think? Sett at 20 epi? Many thanks.

          • #160395
            Ginette
            Keymaster

              Hi bzbell,

              In Season 2, Episode  2.10.3 – At the Table – Primaries & Secondaries on Black, Jane actually wove that episode gamp at 18 EPI/PPI using 8/2 cotton. It turned out really lovely. If you want to review it, it’s around the 31:00 mark on that video.

          • #160449
            Sue
            Participant

              you mention giving us stickers where can I find them?

            • #160475
              Ginette
              Keymaster

                Hi Sue,

                You’ll find them on the Small Threadings Gamp draft on page 4 but you’ll have to add them to some stickers for when you’re weaving if you want to follow what Jane wove.

              • #160486
                Frank Schneider
                Participant

                  Thanks again for these videos. I began weaving during the 2019 Christmas/New Year holidays and was so fortunate to discover the JST Online Guild. Thanks to Jane, Charlotte, Ginette, Alistair and all the staff who make the transmission of this knowledge possible. I feel I’ve gotten off to the best possible start. Question: Do you hand or machine wash your gamps? I usually machine wash my 8/2 cotton tea towels and find that they loose a certain ‘crispness’ in texture as well as color brightness in the process. The small threading gamp Jane shows, though washed, doesn’t appear to show this. Any thoughts or suggestions you might have would be much appreciated? Thanks!

                  • #160611
                    Ginette
                    Keymaster

                      Thanks Frank for the compliment! We appreciate it! It all comes down to Jane, our amazing leader and boss 🙂 I usually wash my samples by hand but you could absolutely do them in the washing machine. The reason I do them in the sink is that I’m always in a hurry to see what they will be like and I don’t hem them first! Did you get a chance to watch Season 1 Episode 10 on Finishing, there could be a few tips there. As for colour brightness in the process, I haven’t experienced that except for reds, which are notorious for bleeding. By the way, Jane washes her towels in the washing machine but always hangs them to dry to keep the crispness.

                  • #160493
                    taty.lauwers
                    Participant

                      Hi thanks excellent video again. How about sharing a pdf with pictures of all final samples? Would this be possible? thanks.

                      • #160556
                        Ginette
                        Keymaster

                          I will ask for sure and see if we can take photos and put them into a PDF or similar format 🙂

                        • #160717
                          Ginette
                          Keymaster

                            Hi Taty, we’ve talked about it and we’ll be putting something together for the samples, but it won’t happen for a bit but it’s kind of exciting actually, so stay tuned 🙂

                        • #160560
                          diannedavenport
                          Participant

                            Love what I’m seeing.  Would like to lay these threadings and treadlings on a color gamp similar to season 2. Is this possible using 8/2 cotton?  What would the sett be?  TIA

                            • #160616
                              Ginette
                              Keymaster

                                Hi Dianne,

                                Just copying my comment under the other video for this lesson with the same question 🙂 You’d have to add extra threads if you wanted it to be the same width as this episode’s sample:

                                In Season 2, Episode  2.10.3 – At the Table – Primaries & Secondaries on Black, Jane actually wove that episode gamp at 18 EPI/PPI using 8/2 cotton. It turned out really lovely. If you want to review it, it’s around the 31:00 mark on that video.

                                 

                            • #160710
                              ccrawford20
                              Participant

                                Thank you for this wonderful video and weaving gamp. I really needed something to occupy my mind a bit during these uncertain times.  Be safe everyone. ❤️

                              • #160846
                                gabi-tomas
                                Participant

                                  I kno we wove our PW gamps with 8/2 cotton set at 18 epi but as this is twill I thought 18 epi will render a far looser tissue.

                                • #161127
                                  Susan Ott
                                  Participant

                                    Jane tied up the warp face 1,2,3,4 saying that she had a sinking shed loom.  What is the tie up for a rising shed?

                                    • #161193
                                      Ginette
                                      Keymaster

                                        Hi Susan,

                                        The pattern is written for a rising shed so you’ll be ok tying up your treadles the same that Jane did on the video to achieve warp faced.

                                    • #161191
                                      diannedavenport
                                      Participant

                                        I’ve finished playing with the gamp. I challenged myself on this.  I want the members of the guild to read the fabric and figure out the weaving. I will post again in a few days about the exact process.20200402_094321

                                      • #161202
                                        mary.dean
                                        Participant

                                          Am I right in thinking each square in the gamp has a buddy?  Another square in a different row that is the same but turned 90 degrees.  Because the treadling is the same as the threading, and the threading is the same as the treadling.

                                        • #161456
                                          laurarose
                                          Participant

                                            A Ha!!  I asked about how long to make the warp on the previous section and you were like it’s right there on the draft. (You were nicer about it than I make that sound! But I was still confused). I had downloaded the giant Twills on 4 packet, which is all Jane shows and has almost all the info)  but hadn’t seen there is also a separate specific draft packet with these cool stickers too.  I need to learn to check below each section for additional materials!

                                            Does Jane make these labels and stick them onas she goes? She showed using post its but this label thing is really clever.

                                            • #161458
                                              Ginette
                                              Keymaster

                                                No worries Laura! It takes a bit to find where everything is. For the stickers, Jane just writes them out as she goes, the yellow sticky notes, after she’s done weaving a particular piece, she’ll add them to her draft for safe keeping. The ones on the treadles, they usually stay on the treadles and she adds more as she goes but if you’ve got the kind that comes off easily, you could add those as well to your draft copy. hmm…. I should do that too 😉

                                                Just to let you know, each time there’s a draft for a specific episode, we attach it below each video for that episode. We also have all of the Online Guild PDFs that have been given out listed on the PDF Page and we usually release the upcoming new draft a few days before the lesson is aired in case anyone wants to dress their loom ahead and weave along as they watch.

                                            • #161459
                                              laurarose
                                              Participant

                                                I am so impressed with the student samples and, I want to thank them for sharing.  I think Jane must be as sweet as she seems to have students be so generous to send her such lovely work!!

                                                 

                                                I had to a little bit make myself watch this, because it was a little more like school than usual, but, much like school, very much worth it. I am finally getting a handle on the hows, whys and wherefores of twills!

                                              • #161616
                                                Trudy Exton
                                                Participant

                                                  Just have to compliment you on another awesome episode!  The student samples are also amazing.  I am assuming that the next episode is not going to happen for awhile, until we get thru this virus mess.

                                                  Thanks again

                                                  • #161659
                                                    Ginette
                                                    Keymaster

                                                      Hi Trudy,

                                                      The next episode is scheduled for April 30th, Point Twill yay! One of my favourite twills.

                                                  • #162601
                                                    Jennifer Tennant
                                                    Participant

                                                      Wanted to try the gamp but needed to weave a baby blanket first so after watching session 3 I  threaded the loom in Rosepath  twill and treadled it in two variations – one in the green and a different treadling for the pink and natural. I first wove a blanket like this 10 years ago. It was fun doing it again with a much better understanding of the weave structure and weaving it by reading the cloth instead of having notes about the treadling order stuck to the loom .That   made it much easier when I got interrupted while weaving. One more blanket to go  for the baby’s older brother then will do the actual gamp. I threaded the next blanket in all the different twill threadings like a gamp. Looks quite interesting so far.IMG_2844 (4)

                                                    • #163839
                                                      Clare
                                                      Participant

                                                        I turned the gamp into a blanket and did quite a bit of modifying (division of space into 5 instead of 6, etc.) The fact is I was so eager to get to the point twill that I combined some with the small gamp threadings. Some of the basket weave strips are not 2/2 but instead are 1/2 and 3/2 in some places. Not sure why this happened but I’m still pleased with the outcome!

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                                                        • #163907
                                                          Sandra
                                                          Keymaster

                                                            What an amazing “sample”, Clare!

                                                        • #163918
                                                          machiaschix
                                                          Participant

                                                            Small Threadings Gamp–I used 8/2 cotton, with a sett of 22 epi for kitchen towels.  I did the previous sample (2 stripe) using 8/2 cotton with a sett of 20.  I am much happier with the sett of 22 epi.

                                                             

                                                          • #164189
                                                            Clare
                                                            Participant

                                                              Thanks Sandra! I was winging it in some ways when figuring out the threadings and how they relate to the basketweave. I always try to come up with a piece that is useable when I try the gamps. The point twill was just released yesterday and it was set at 12 for a blanket. This one I sett at 15 so not quite as drapey as it could be. It is nice and heavy (and warm), though. Hope it fluffs up with a machine washing and drying.

                                                            • #166054
                                                              Lora Sager
                                                              Participant

                                                                Just finished a couple of towels using the threadings we learned in this session. I discovered that alternating colors in the warp changes the pattern. Good to know. I like the resulting pattern so it was a happy accident!1D7A92DC-82FC-4CF1-A461-B4B7DE1F5A865B53F5F2-AFD5-44E1-BD5A-1504CA35E7FEB8010291-3068-4470-B58F-C9B763934EB8

                                                                • #166309
                                                                  Sandra
                                                                  Keymaster

                                                                    They are beautiful, Lora!

                                                                • #166291
                                                                  laworth
                                                                  Participant

                                                                    When I read some other pattern that says tromp as writ should I assume it is using a 2/2 tie up?  In the past when I’ve come across that I just raised one shaft resulting in a warp faced fabric.

                                                                    As a self taught weaver, I’m an learning so much in the guild.  Thank You!

                                                                    • #166312
                                                                      Sandra
                                                                      Keymaster

                                                                        Tromp as writ means that the tie-up stays the same and you treadle the threading pattern.  So, your treadles are 1 = 1,2; 2 = 2,3; and so on. Have fun!

                                                                    • #169830
                                                                      Mardi Naythons
                                                                      Participant

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                                                                      • #176120
                                                                        Marty Wink
                                                                        Participant

                                                                          Hi!  Would it be possible to get the draft pattern that Kathy used for her multi color dish towels?

                                                                        • #187517
                                                                          sjgriebling
                                                                          Participant

                                                                            I am trying to understand the difference between the Small Threading Gamp and the Point Twill Gamp? I know the treadings vary, but what is the purpose of each – what is the difference we are supposed to be seeing?

                                                                            Sue

                                                                          • #187518
                                                                            sjgriebling
                                                                            Participant

                                                                              Never mind, I see we are moving on to Point Twill next!

                                                                            • #188147
                                                                              Katie Weston
                                                                              Participant

                                                                                8/4 cotton is a bit of a tricky thing to find here in the UK, and I wanted to weave from stash, plus I only have a Louet Erica, so I did a bit of shuffling with the gamp to make it work for 8/2 cotton and to be tea-towel width… oh and I changed the colours!

                                                                                If anyone else wants to save some maths working out multiples,  I did 28 threads for the straight draw, 61 for the point twill, 60 for the broken twill, 60 for wall of troy, 65 for rose path, 64 for 4 thread broken twill, and then 28 for straight draw, but threaded in the opposite direction. That plus the 4 divider threads between the sections gave me 392 ends. Sett at 20epi that fills my 50cm Louet Erica.

                                                                                I split up the straight draw section to give me symmetrical borders.

                                                                                After I did my samples I carried on, picking out my favourite sections to weave some tea towels.

                                                                                 

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                                                                                A couple use my handpsun yarn, the green one is in handspun ramie, which I’m really looking forward tossing how absorbent it is. The grey in the centre is handspun cotton.

                                                                                 

                                                                                I bought my loom at the beginning of the first lockdown here in the UK, and as we’re about to go in to our 3rd period of lockdown I just wanted to say how much pleasure the online guild has bought me. Having something so all encompassing as weaving to distract my brain has been an absolute life saver. I’m self employed, and thankfully my income hasn’t been much affected as I have an online business, so at times I’ve not been able to weave as much as I would like, but this holiday period having less family here means more time weaving!

                                                                              • #200072
                                                                                Cynthia Standley
                                                                                Participant

                                                                                  Hi,

                                                                                  I’m new to weaving and just joined about 4 weeks ago. For my first time through, I’ve been binge watching, except for 4.4.2 and 4.3.3 which I’ve watched a couple of times. There is a particular section I like and want to have it in my notes to come back to. I’m not sure if I’m getting it right. The section is at 16:41 and Jane says it is rosepath against point. To confirm, the point twill is the threading, and the treadling is rosepath or inverted rosepath? Is the tie-up 2X2? In a point threading would the point always be up? Would it be an inverted point threading if the point was down? And if treadling rose path, is the point to the left or the right. (Where the point would be if you didn’t move it) In other words is it a V shape with the bottom of the V to the left or to the right? Hope this makes some sense.
                                                                                  Cynthia

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