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March 24, 2020 at 2:38 pm #160308
Let us know your thoughts on 4.3.2 – Small Threadings Gamp at the Loom
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March 25, 2020 at 7:21 pm #160447
you mentioned slicing where do you show that when I used 4/8 cotton as they were washed over and over the ends would pop thru the cloth and show frayed ends with the finer threads there wasn’t any problems
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March 26, 2020 at 7:04 am #160474
Hi Sue,
In Season 3, Episode 3.3.2 – Weaving Log Cabin at the 8:53 mark, you’ll find Jane demonstrating how to splice a thread. She uses the 4/8 cotton in this clip.
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March 28, 2020 at 1:32 pm #160698
Love the new Camera mans’ shooting style. Its lovely to see you up close and smiling Jane.
Great stuff as usual. Thanks to whole team x
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March 30, 2020 at 5:19 am #160842
This is all amazing and I cannot wait to weave this. One thing was a real eye-opener and helped me understand weaving better, and it is the realization that 4and 1 are next to each other in the tissue. I look at rose path differently now. Simple things can change a view entirely.
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April 3, 2020 at 3:34 am #161249
Just to show that you can get this warp on a 40cm Jane loom at 15EPI with 4/8 cotton yarn! Of course I could have made life easier for myself by using a finer yarn but where’s the fun in that! So thank you Jane for explaining in an earlier lesson that your warp can be a bit narrower on the back beam without affecting the tension! I love this course as I am learning so much fundamental stuff that I thought I already knew!
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April 5, 2020 at 7:36 am #161376
That was so funny when she said that! I was like “well, obviously” but then a few moments later as it sunk in what it really MEAns, I was like, “Oooooh, four and one are Next To Each Other! As in the pattern keeps going!” I mean it really is still pretty obvious, but for some reason just her saying it so emphatically like that, made it mean so much more that my brain understanding design!
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April 5, 2020 at 9:38 am #161395
How long a warp would you recommend for this?
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April 5, 2020 at 12:17 pm #161404
Hi Laura,
On the PDF handout, Jane suggests a 6 yard warp so that you have enough to do the extra weaving she does on the videos. I think she did 6 samples all together.
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April 9, 2020 at 6:56 am #161748
Hello all! Lots to learn here and loving it all! If warp predominant is done in a forward & reverse threading gamp, is it necessary to do separate weft predominant since it is on the back side of the warp? However, if there is more than treadle change here, it might be important to process those two gamps. I’d like to use as much warp as possible for weft pred. experimentation on the same warp & would change treadles then. Trusting this makes sense.
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April 9, 2020 at 7:00 am #161749
Sorry my question should read reverse treadling not threading! My tablet has a mind of its own!
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April 9, 2020 at 7:37 am #161751
I’m just a fellow guild member here, not anyone official, but I think she said it was good to do both separately (a warp pred one and a weft ores one) in the interest of really understanding it all. But it’s your warp. I say do what makes you happy. I had great intentions of actually doing the gamp but decided to make a simpler set of twill towels just using straight and point draws.
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April 10, 2020 at 9:53 am #161853
If one is doing a varied treadling ie. 3,4,1,2,1,4,3. Do I return to the 3,4 etc. So I have 2 (_3 picks )_or do I put another 1,2,1, in between? The start & finish in the treadling is the same shaft so if the draft was longer I would know. Thank you. Jeanne
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April 10, 2020 at 12:46 pm #161871
Hi Jeanne. What I would do is get out the graph paper that Jane gave us and work it out with a pencil. That way you’ll actually visually see how it’s going to work out. It always helps me to understand my cloth before I actually weave it. Have fun!
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April 16, 2020 at 10:17 pm #162511
Hi there,
I am loving this gamp but I have a little problem.
I couldn’t pick up from Jane in the video how I should change the tie up to make it warp predominant. Maybe this has been covered in previous episodes but I would really appreciate some help.
Thanks.
Marilyn
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April 18, 2020 at 9:51 am #162674
My gamp is starting with a weave that seems close and not like the gamp in the project…. it looks too tight.
I am using 8/2 cotton; in a 12 dent reed, sleyed, 2.1.1.1. to get the 15 picks per inch.
I think something might be wrong with this… but maybe not, it is because it is a smaller yarn?
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April 20, 2020 at 7:56 am #162841
I used page 7 (tie-up variations) to go from balanced to warp faced to weft faced. This was from the twills on four handout from episode 1.
See attached picture. I just finished the weft faced sample. Using yarn from my stash.
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April 20, 2020 at 9:01 am #162846
Started threading this draft and I have a problem I have never encountered. Warped in the sequence (starting with 41 bleached) which means that is the first sequence in my cross. When I start threading, it is the last, so I have had to work backwards in the draft (starting with 33 threads/#6). Guess in my 25 years of weaving I have never used an asymmetrical draft! I don’t think that I have turned it upside down, put threads in my raddle any differently…what happened? So now I will have to weave TAW backwards and from the left to right? HELP! Ruth Anne
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April 20, 2020 at 1:09 pm #162875
Ruth Ann, i did the same thing, don’t know how either! Your sections are the only thing out of order, no worries :j. I threaded as it should have been within each section, starting with straight twill on the far left and the point twill next, etc, and tied up and treadled TAW just fine 🙂
always something new to learn!!!
happy weaving,
Jacqui
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April 20, 2020 at 1:19 pm #162877
Attachment to above comment: sett at 12 epi, very open weaving
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April 21, 2020 at 8:28 am #163140
Sorry I haven’t gotten back to the group about the final project on the last small gamp threading. As you probably noticed, I used 3 colors. The gray, a light blue, and the red in the weft. The treadling is the same as Jane’s except the blue is tied up as 2/2 twill and the gray is 3/1 – 1/3 twill. This means that each time there is a weft color change, the tie up is changed. So if you look closely, adjacent blue and gray are treadled the same but the tie up i different. I wanted a clear visualization of how treadling and tie up changed the fabric. Lots of work.
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April 21, 2020 at 3:06 pm #163200
Hi
I am a totally new weaver. Work with a 4 shaft table loom 24”. This lesson brought so much joy. Thank you Jane, the possibilities for creating are opening up.
stay safe Carol
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April 23, 2020 at 5:48 pm #163397
Working on the small threadings gamp, trying to use 4/8 cotton that I have. But I don’t believe the contrast is strong enough. Can I substitute 2 strands of 2/8 for the 1 strand of 4/8. What problems could I encounter. I have a shuttle that can feed out 2 bobbins at a time if that would work
Would a person ever wind 2 threads of 2/8 at the same time on a bobbin??
Thanks for the advice
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April 23, 2020 at 8:13 pm #163421
If you have a double bobbin shuttle, I’d go with that. It’s hard to hold even tension both going on and off the bobbin when you wind two threads on one bobbin. Other than that, you’ll be fine weaving with 2 x 8/2. I’d slow down though to make sure everything is being evenly spaced across the gamp. It’s a beautiful gamp and you want to be able to refer to it for years.
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April 26, 2020 at 1:17 pm #163649
I, too, am confused about the change of treadling tie -up. Is this a change to 3/1 and/or 1/3?? I am using a 4 shaft counter-balance loom and have never been able to get a decent shed with one against three. Any insight greatly appreciated.
Thank you.
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April 26, 2020 at 4:00 pm #163669
https://janestaffordtextiles.com/forums/topic/counterbalance-loom-3-shafts-on-1-treadle/
Does this help, Sheila? Let me know.
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April 27, 2020 at 12:26 pm #163753
Thank you Sandra! Yes, it worked! I tried just tying up one shaft but it was so heavy, I switched to 3 shafts and it worked. I am weaving a bit slower to ensure I don’t dip down and the added tension has helped.
I love this episode!! Thanks again!❤
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April 27, 2020 at 12:28 pm #163754
Oops, finally saw the reply button!! Thanks Sandra. Yes! Success!!
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April 29, 2020 at 5:22 pm #164021
I have had so much fun with this gamp! I have done several samples with different treadling. Now I have cut off and relayed at 8 epi and am weaving with some wool that I bought at a thrift store (no label). Going to turn it into a rug.
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April 30, 2020 at 8:40 am #164064
I finished my samples. These were sett at 12epi. I love the 2/2 balanced weave version (bottom one on the stack) – once washed it became so soft.
I decided to modify the remaining warp by taking out the colored zinger threads. For the weft am using a gray wool (I think – garage sale purchase). Playing with a more free-form version that will become a scarf. We’ll see what happens when I take it off the loom and wash it. Same sett at 12epi which is quite open.
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April 30, 2020 at 12:21 pm #164124
I shared this in the Ravelry group, but thought I’d share it here, too. After weaving three of the gamps (2/2, 1/3-3/1 and the 3rd suggested sequence-upcoming large threading gamp), I had warp left over. Enough to weave 2 panels and sew them together for a lap blanket. I sewed the center seam with the red to mimic the borders between the gamp sections. Thanks Jane for such a user-friendly gamp. Oh, and this is Harrisville Shetland for the weft re-sleyed at 12 EPI.
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May 3, 2020 at 7:11 pm #164459
Hello. I am going to weave this gamp with 8/2 cotton, as I have mountains of it. I have everything organized, I think, except that I see that I have a lot more of the darker colour that I’m going to use than the lighter one, so I’d like to use the darker colour for the warp and the lighter one for the weft (ie the reverse of how Jane wove the gamp. Can you explain how that will affect the look of the cloth? Many thanks.
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May 3, 2020 at 9:20 pm #164471
The gamp will just look different – you will still see the patterning that you’ve created. Have fun!
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May 5, 2020 at 8:31 pm #164649
Sandra, thank you for the advice. I started using the double bobbin shuttle tonight with black and navy on the bobbins. I like it.
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May 7, 2020 at 9:06 am #164814
I finished the gamp and learned so much! Plus it was fun to weave. I wove a small table runner with the remainder of the warp. The gamp is at 16 epi the runner at 15 epi. I have only been weaving on a 4 shaft loom since mid-January. I have learned so much! Thanks Jane and team!
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June 11, 2020 at 8:26 pm #169744
I wasn’t sure that I was going to make all of the games and experiments, but I am sure glad that I did.I have been weaving for a while, and I can follow most drafts that I find, and have started designing some of my own. However, I don’t always understand what I am doing and have hurdles and unanswered questions, so actually doing these exercises helped me understand. My biggest challenge was that I was stash busting and chose yarns that I didn’t want to use for anything else. The warp was a 5/2 ballet pink and the dividing weft was a 6/2 blue. The gamp were won en with a magenta weft. It was okay and the contrast was good. The real challenge came when I had to choose colors for the placemats that I made at the end of the warp. I am pleased, but my advice to anyone starting this project is to choose colors you love and it will make it much more pleasant. I tried to upload a photo unsuccessfully. I will try instagram.
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June 12, 2020 at 7:43 am #169780
Hi Mardi – if you are having trouble uploading photos – it could be that your image is larger than 5 MB. You can add as many as you want in a post, as long as none of them exceeds that size. Hopefully, that’s the problem and you can add your photos here ;-).
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June 19, 2020 at 10:53 am #170460
HI- I designed my placemats based on the twill gamp – unfortunately, my math skills are in the toilet – and I ended up with 195 warp ends of 8/4 cotton which ends up being 13″ on the loom if I use the sett of 15 EPI. One thought is to go down to a sett of 14. Any other ideas? Oh- and I’ve already threaded the heddles and am about to sley the reed. Thanks Joan
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June 19, 2020 at 9:34 pm #170518
Hi Joan, I don’t think taking them down to 14 epi is going to make much of a difference. Your width in the reed will still be narrow And your placemats even narrower after you have finished them. However, a 12” placemat is narrow, but not too narrow. I just measured some in my “linen” drawer and they range from 12” and up. Just relax and go for it!
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November 25, 2020 at 6:49 pm #185631
What were the angles on the card that Jane was checking her angle? I’d like to make one
Thanks
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November 26, 2020 at 9:01 am #185701
Jane just uses a square piece of paper, folded on an angle, to make sure her ppi is giving her the angle of twill she needs to get her twill block square with the same ppi as epi.
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January 10, 2021 at 6:05 pm #191106
I did the first 3 samples at 15 epi and then switched to 12 eip for the second 4 samples. I haven’t woven with 8/4 cotton before so was interested to see how it felt. I have a better understanding of the twill patterns but I still think in number sequences. I do see mistakes when they are made.
I used 3 colours across the warp as I was using up 8/4 cotton I had. I tried a couple of different colour combinations as well. I liked the Wall of Troy and broken twill at 15 epi and preferred the Undulating Threading and Diamonds as Frame at 12 epi. The inverse of threadings was okay.
We are using a couple as hand towels in the bathroom.
at 15 epi (above) at 12 epi (below)
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January 10, 2021 at 11:22 pm #191126
What a good record you’ve made of your samples, Caroline!
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March 8, 2021 at 2:16 pm #199434
Hello… I am fairly new and have come across this lesson. Please tell me if I am treadling correctly. So, for the first row of blocks, I treadle with the threading of #1. Second row of blocks, I treadle to the tune of #2 ??
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March 8, 2021 at 10:36 pm #199481
You read the threading from right to left and just treadle the numbers as you read them. In the first section of the gamp you treadle 1, 2, 3, 4 – 10 times, then treadle the divider. The second one you treadle 1, 2, 3, 4, 3, 2 – 5 times and add a final 1 to finish the sequence, then treadle the divider. And so on and so on. 😀. Hope this makes sense.
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March 19, 2021 at 9:23 am #200466
Hi, I’m confused. When I did the drawdown for straight twill with threading 1,2,3,4 and treadling as TAW 1,2,3,4 the twill diagonal goes to the left. When I’m at the loom and weave TAW the twill diagonal goes to the right, as in Jane’s video, as well. Why is this?
Thanks!
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March 19, 2021 at 10:46 am #200473
Carole, did you do a sinking or a rising shed tie-up? I think if you look at the underside of your cloth, you’ll see the TAW going the other way.
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