Thoughts on 4.3.1 – Introduction to Twill Threadings and Treadlings

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    • #160306
      Ginette
      Keymaster

        Let us know your thoughts on 4.3.1 – Introduction to Twill Threadings and Treadlings.

        Edit: just adding in case you miss the comment below, if you’re looking for pages Page 6+, they are with the first PDF from Season 4 –  Episode 1 – Introduction to Twills.

        The PDF is called Introduction to Twills, pages 1 through 14 – Season 4, Episode 1. For a quick find, go to All PDFs Page right here https://janestaffordtextiles.com/online-guild-episodes/pdfs/

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      • #160371
        diannedavenport
        Participant

          pages 6+ are missing from the pdf

        • #160372
          Jan Schumacher
          Participant

            Yup, Dianne’s right.  Only pages 1 to 5 are available.

          • #160376
            Ginette
            Keymaster

              Hi Dianne,

              Page 6+ are with the first PDF from Episode 1 Introduction to Twills. The PDF is called Introduction to Twills, pages 1 through 14 – Season 4, Episode 1. For a quick find, go to All PDFs Page right here https://janestaffordtextiles.com/online-guild-episodes/pdfs/

              It’ll be at the bottom of the page. Enjoy the lesson!

            • #160380
              diannedavenport
              Participant

                I want to thank Jane and her staff for the early release of this episode.  I was ready for a new challenge as I had just taken a plain weave using sock yarn off my David.  And all I have going is some boucle wash cloths on my Jane.  Can you tell I’m an adult ADD. LOL

              • #160383
                Carol Burns
                Participant

                  Thanks so much for working with four shafts. My weaving has improved from watching your videos. Stay safe.

                   

                • #160439
                  Ellen Black
                  Participant

                    Love this lesson ! Thank you.    Even though I read above that the handouts are with the first episode, it would be helpful to have them with the lesson needed.  Thank you. Ellen

                  • #160466
                    Penny
                    Participant

                      I’ve watched the video and thank you so much for explaining this so clearly. I am getting ready to make my warp but I have a problem. I am weaving on a 40cm Jane table loom and I don’t think I can go as wide at 151/2 inches. I’m not sure how to proceed. I could just put fewer ends in the straight threading section, but I don’t want my gamp to look unbalanced. Should I reduce each section so they all weave as square if so, i’m not sure how to do that. Any help would be appreciated!

                       

                      • #160477
                        Ginette
                        Keymaster

                          Hi Penny,

                          Your Jane 40 has a weaving with of 15.7″, you should be fine weaving the sample, you’ll me maximizing your whole width. I have a Jane 70 and have used the full with without issues.

                      • #160574
                        laurarose
                        Participant

                          I have only watched the first section so far and just finished my super fun homework of filling in the draw-downs.  Now, I have been weaving for about 4 years and I totally get the theoretical point of draw-downs and have done a few, but usually when watching a video about this they make you do it all yourself and I lose steam after about 1.  It was so much fun having the print outs and knowing why we were doing each one.  I think you (or someone!) could sell an “adult coloring book” of draw-downs with explanations (the explanations are important) for the why of each one in a sensible progression like these.  You would sell at least 1 copy! So calming in these troubling times. Easier and prettier than a sudoku or crossword!  I might actually make the gamp project the first time ever (of course I said that about the previous sample and didn’t do it either.)  Take care up there.

                        • #161657
                          wbcostume8
                          Participant

                            Jane
                            Thank you for so clearly describing how twill shapes work. I wish that I had heard this when I first started weaving with twills!
                            I understand so much more now about twills and their threading and treadling.
                            Cheers
                            Wendy
                            Melbourne

                          • #165524
                            Mardi Naythons
                            Participant

                              Hi.

                              I have just started watching this episode and would like to make the gamp, but I don’t want to put on 6 yards for this project.  What is the suggested length for just making the gamp?

                              Thanks,

                              Mardi

                              • #165542
                                Sandra
                                Keymaster

                                  It basically is up to you as to how long you weave that gamp.  If you, for instance, allowed 1 yard for the gamp, then just add the amount of waste you have with your particular loom, add a wee buffer and make the warp.

                              • #168727
                                MaryAnn Kull
                                Participant

                                  As usual, I’ve thoroughly enjoyed this episode. I’ve done point twill in a study group but your instruction and the gamp have made it so much clearer.

                                  I did have one problem interpreting the diagrams on Page 8 concerning warp and weft predominant. It was not clear to me which tie up I should use on my jack loom. Consequently after enlisting my husband’s help (knee replacement and getting down to and up from the floor  are not a good mix) I had to have him redo the tie up so I could experience the warp predominant weaving. Perhaps you could label those diagrams a bit more clearly.

                                  Thanks for making weaving even more enjoyable.

                                  • #168789
                                    Sandra
                                    Keymaster

                                      An answer to your question from Jane:

                                      So glad you enjoyed the lesson 🙂

                                      This is a good question and I know I went over this in episode 1 but there is so much to remember.  On a Jack loom a 1/3 tie-up, where you just tie-up 1,2,3,4 will be weft predominant because you are only raising 1 shaft.  That leaves 3 shafts down and you will be covering 3 warp threads with your weft…so you see more weft.  If you do that on a counter-balance loom it will be their reverse, it will be warp-faced because only 1 shaft will be going down leaving 3 up and you will be going under those.

                                      On a Jack Loom, a 3/1 tie-up where you raise 123,234,341,412 will be warp predominant because you are lifting up 3 and your weft will be going under them, therefore you see more warp threads and the exact opposite will happen on a counter-balance or sinking shed loom.

                                      It is so good to be able to think this through.  Everyone has different looms.
                                      And for anyone reading this that has a counter-marche loom, just remember that your lower lamms are your raisers…they act like a Jack loom and your upper lamms are your sinkers, they act like a sinking shed loom.

                                      Hope this helps,

                                      Jane

                                  • #168728
                                    MaryAnn Kull
                                    Participant

                                      Oops. The diagrams are on page 6.

                                    • #170123
                                      Brenda Reimer
                                      Participant

                                        With the PDF included with this lesson, page 4 shows some drawings of twill variations labelled #1-7. I cannot find Jane going over these drawings in the videos for this lesson and I am stumped with drawing #6. There is a <, then underneath a 3T with strike through it.  It is different than the ‘3 tabby’ written in previous examples.  Can someone tell me what this means or where to find it in the video? Thanks so much.

                                        • #170127
                                          Ginette
                                          Keymaster

                                            Hi Brenda,

                                            I’m just working on the index today, so hopefully this is good timing for you. Try

                                            -sample #6 solid colours, stripes in 2/2 twill, 4.6.1, 14:17

                                          • #170174
                                            Ginette
                                            Keymaster

                                              Got it Brenda! 4.3.2 at the 39:21 mark. Basically, she’s woven point twill threading starting on a different treadle each time, with 3 pick combo of basket weave.

                                          • #170171
                                            Brenda Reimer
                                            Participant

                                              Hi Ginette,

                                              I’m not finding 4.6.1

                                              Brenda

                                              • #170172
                                                Ginette
                                                Keymaster

                                                  oh shoot Brenda!! That is my fault. I’m just working on the next episode which hasn’t been aired yet!! So silly of me. So now your question is completely different than what I gave you! Give me a few and I’ll try and find it for you

                                              • #170195
                                                Brenda Reimer
                                                Participant

                                                  Thanks Ginette. This was the diagram in question…I figured out how to upload it. The one you describe is actually the same as #7. Oh well I’m on to the next Gamp anyways! Take care, loving this online guild.F45C4844-7BF9-4FC5-A018-A81C00C39F6D

                                                  • #170376
                                                    Ginette
                                                    Keymaster

                                                      Oh funny, I really thought I had sample #6! I think I didn’t have enough coffee that day 😉

                                                  • #175142
                                                    Ginny
                                                    Participant

                                                      I am curious about the use of 8/4 for twills in the samples.  I understand thread selection is dependent on the fabric use but as a rule, is it preferable to use a thicker thread like 8/4 on a twill so that you see the movement?  As my weaving skills advance, I tend to choose thinner thread rather than thicker.

                                                      • #175144
                                                        Sandra
                                                        Keymaster

                                                          You can weave twill with any weight yarn, Ginny!  By doing the various twill gamps in different weight cotton, you’ll get an idea of what twill looks like in those weights.  You’ll also get an idea of what they will look and feel like in different end uses.  Jane has shown us how fabulous 8/4 cotton is in twill blankies. Gamps can have many ways of helping us plan future projects – not just in structure.

                                                      • #175663
                                                        Judy
                                                        Participant

                                                          Hi,

                                                          I do not have a page 6 to download.  I hope you can help me with this.

                                                          Thanks,

                                                          Judy

                                                          • #175689
                                                            Ginette
                                                            Keymaster

                                                              Hi Judy,

                                                              Just to add to Sandra’s comment, here’s a screenshot of where page 6 is from a previous comment above:

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                                                          • #175665
                                                            Sandra
                                                            Keymaster

                                                              Hi Judy – not sure which page 6 you are missing – the best way for you to check out all the pdfs is to go to the list here to double-check. Let us know if you can’t find what you are missing.

                                                            • #175695
                                                              Judy
                                                              Participant

                                                                Thanks Sandra and Ginette!  I’ve found it!

                                                                 

                                                              • #181801
                                                                Mary Margaret
                                                                Participant

                                                                  Wanted to say thank you, Jane, for sharing your vast knowledge with us in such a clear and fun manner.  I’ve been weaving for 10 years, yet while watching this video (4.3.1, the Intro to Twill threadings and treadlings), I had at least three separate “eureka” moments – and that’s before I even started the written ‘fill in the draft draw down’ homework. Thanks again, Jane and staff. We appreciate you so much!

                                                                • #194683
                                                                  Bridget Kirke
                                                                  Participant

                                                                    I have to agree with laura rose about colouring in these drafts.  I have been doing exactly that to help me understand everything a bit better.  I found that it was compelling and after a couple of hours my anxiety levels had dwindled completely!!  Colouring books please Jane!!  The way you teach Jane is simply marvellous.  Thank you.

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