Thoughts on 4.1 – Let’s Have a Little Chat About Sett – Setts with Cotton

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    • #157381
      Ginette
      Keymaster

        Let us know your thoughts on 4.1 – Let’s Have a Little Chat About Sett – Setts with Cotton.

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      • #157382
        ccrawford20
        Participant

          Every time I watch this I learn something new. Thank you so much for leaving the classes available so we can always revisit as our weaving progresses.

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        • #157383
          fudsy1
          Participant

            wow! I’m starting to understand the sett and most important my reed and how it runs the show

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          • #157384
            sjgriebling
            Participant

              Wow! This explains so much – especially why the scarf I wove is so stiff :-))

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            • #157385
              mczmail
              Participant

                Jane, I’m new and just joined. I can’t thank you enough for this. It’s the best money I’ve ever spent. I’m learning so much and I’m so happy to know that I can watch this lessons over and over.
                This is going to help my weaving improve so much. Thank you. Now I know why my scarves came out so stiff.

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              • #157386
                WoolMoon
                Participant

                  Jane – you are a Weaving Goddess come to Earth. These lessons are so helpful and are changing the way I think about weaving. I can’t begin to tell you how thrilled I am to have found you and to be part of this learning experience. You are my hero!

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                • #157387
                  Patricia Moore
                  Participant

                    I forgot to post a comment and I went onto part 2. You show so many beautiful examples and explain it totally so any novice can quickly learn.

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                  • #157388
                    Judy
                    Participant

                      I needed this lesson so much! Thank you for really explaining sett and how the drape and hand of the fabrics we weave can change with the sett. I’d always just used the recommended epi that came with the cone of fiber or what was on the chart in my weaving book, but now I see that I have control over all of this. I will watch this episode over and over again, because there is so much in it. I’m so glad that I signed up for your online guild. It is terrific!
                      Thank you, thank you, thank you!!

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                    • #157389
                      Betty.allen
                      Participant

                        I’m rewatching the videos on sett. It’s so wonderful to have this review. I’m wrapping different yarns on a ruler to achieve the recommended sett. For some reason (I think it is a vision issue) I just cannot judge the distance in space needed to allow for the weft yarn. I seem to fall very short on EPI. I can wrap very tight side by side and eventually get wraps in the range needed. They do not overlap but they are tight. Is it ok to test the epi without leaving the space if I can’t get it right? Am I the only one that has this problem? Betty

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                        • #157390
                          Sandra
                          Keymaster

                            This is not what you want to hear, Betty – but, in order to establish the right sett for the yarn you are testing, you need to leave the space for your weft yarn in order to get your balanced cloth. If you don’t, you will get a very dense piece of cloth. Do you have a magnifying glass – maybe one of the ones you use on your head or one on a stand that could help you see the space between each thread for plainweave, for example. If you are using the more common yarns for your project, you can just depend on Jane’s Master Sett Chart for plainweave and twill.

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                            • #157398
                              yezemin
                              Participant

                                My weaving books recommend tight wrapping and for plain weave you divide the outcome by 2. That seams to me pretty much what Jane is doing, but simpler as you don’t have to get the spacing right.

                                Is there something wrong with the method I learned?

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                          • #157391
                            michrod7
                            Participant

                              You are a very fine teacher, and I am learning a lot. Even though I am using a rigid heddle loom, I find many of the lessons have applicable tips that I can use. Your class was recommended to me by another customer I met at a weaving shop and I don’t even know her name. But I am grateful for both of you.

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                            • #157392
                              karthur114
                              Participant

                                I’ve always warped 2/8 cotton at 20 epi because that’s what I was taught. Thanks for showing us that we can be a lot more flexible. I’m going to try 18 epi just to see the difference. You’ve made 2/8 cotton look quite luxurious!

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                              • #157393
                                krusinkabarvirska
                                Participant

                                  Hi Jane, I am weaving a woolen warp, using Soft Donegal yarn, woolen spun, nm1/3,8. I usually use 12.5 epi for twill. If I want to full the fabric a bit more to become a tweedy cloth for an overcoat, shell I increase epi or just leave it and wash it harder, so it felts more?
                                  Thank you,
                                  Maria

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                                • #157394
                                  jeancrw8
                                  Participant

                                    Love all the segments so far, but this one was so very timely for me. Love it!

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                                  • #157395
                                    Judith
                                    Participant

                                      This was so helpful. No one had ever shown me how to wrap a ruler leaving space as you do. Makes total sense. I’m sure I will need to come back to this lesson repeatedly until I truly have it absorbed. Thank you!

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                                    • #157396
                                      jouel
                                      Participant

                                        Your lessons are great.
                                        But iT would be so Nice if the pdf’s would be also available in the metric system.
                                        Thank you. Best regards

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                                      • #157397
                                        cynthiaquilici
                                        Participant

                                          I just finished my first warp of 4 (well, 3-and-a-half) dish towels in 8/2 cotton at 20 epi. I just could *not* get 20 picks.. more like 18. I thought there was something wrong with me! Since the product was advertised to be used at 18-24epi, I had figured I was “safe” with 20. Looking forward to seeing what 18epi looks like.

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                                        • #157399
                                          Ila McCallum
                                          Participant

                                            Jane, your wrapping technique to determine sett is right on!! Although I have woven for several years, I always have trouble believing the wrapping divided by 2 and end up looking at yarn charts to figure out what sett to start sampling with. Your method of actually duplicating the weave spacing that is in the woven item makes so much sense to me. Thank you!

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                                          • #157400
                                            Emma Hamilton
                                            Participant

                                              So much great information. I just wish there were more clear close-ups.

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                                              • #157401
                                                Jane
                                                Keymaster

                                                  Hi Emma,
                                                  Season 1 was our first year and we had so much to learn. The videos and camera close-ups get better and better as you go along 🙂
                                                  Cheers,
                                                  Jane

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                                              • #157402
                                                Patricia Cassidy
                                                Participant

                                                  Great class. Opened my eyes on how this affects the draping of the fabric. Do understand this class. New to weaving and not understanding the reed numbers/ for not working with them or working with the yarns yet. My first time through the lessons and plan to go through them again.

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                                                • #157403
                                                  kfcochran51
                                                  Participant

                                                    The master set chart isn’t linked to the specific video. I did find it on the home page.

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                                                    • #157404
                                                      Ginette
                                                      Keymaster

                                                        Thanks for the heads up kfcochran51! Not sure what happened but it’s now back up!

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                                                    • #157405
                                                      Kathleen Sobe
                                                      Participant

                                                        I just received over 5 lbs. of 20/2 cotton in Navy, pale blue, chocolate and taupe. I’ve weaved with 20/2 wool for a tartan but never with cotton that small. I’d like to make a shawl or wide scarf. (just watched the episode on plaids and so want to dive in :] )Do you think that starting with 30 epi is a good place to start? Thanks

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                                                      • #157406
                                                        gran4girls
                                                        Participant

                                                          Thank you Jane for your lessons. I am still Learning, have only woven dishtowels after my daughter warped the loom and did her 6 towels for the guild in Calgary. Then I had enough warp left to do two cloths of her pattern. I am hooked. So much better than reading books on weaving. I seem to get a brain block trying to understand by just reading. After watching your lessons it is so clear and I know I’ll be back to play it over and over. Thank you again! 🙂

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                                                        • #157407
                                                          Melissa Bishop
                                                          Participant

                                                            Jane, you refer to the first cotton as 4/8. Is that the equivalent to US 8/4 cotton? Love you oodles!

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                                                            • #157408
                                                              Sandra
                                                              Keymaster

                                                                Yes, it is, Melissa. The numbers are interchangeable and 4/8 is how we have historically referred to it in Canada 😉

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                                                            • #157409
                                                              Ginny
                                                              Participant

                                                                I am a Home Economics major and as such, I have followed the “recipe” or recommended sett on the thread that I purchase. You have given me the confidence to go rogue and play with setts to create new and improved results.

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                                                              • #157410
                                                                tessa.oblate
                                                                Participant

                                                                  I have several cones of 10/2 mercerized cotton that I want to use for napkins. This size isn’t on the Master Sett Chart.

                                                                  To get a crisp fabric in plain weave, what sett would you recommend?

                                                                  Thanks so very much for this Online Guild! Even after 3 semesters of college weaving classes, I’ve learned and understood an enormous amount of info AND am learning how to free my inner creativity especially in Season 2. You are a godsent.

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                                                                  • #157411
                                                                    Sandra
                                                                    Keymaster

                                                                      Good morning, Tessa. Jane’s Master Sett Chart is comprised of yarns that she has used consistently over a long period. If a yarn is not there, she suggests wrapping the yarn around a ruler to establish a sett that would work for you. If in doubt, I would make my warp longer, sett it at what your ruler suggests and weave a couple of samples changing the sett in-between. Wash and dry the way they would normally be used and check to see which sett you like better. I know – sample, sample, sample 😉 You would then have samples to keep, showing how different setts work with your 10/2, which is a win-win.

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                                                                  • #157412
                                                                    Sandra Easthope
                                                                    Participant

                                                                      Oh boy there is so much to learn and take in. I think I will be going over and over these lessons. My question is that I have a 8 shaft table loom with no treadles but paddles on top, will you be showing how, instead of tieups on treadles, use the upper paddles correctly? Thankyou for all the work you have done to being this teaching tool to us. It is starting to make good sense with clear and concise teaching from you Jane.

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                                                                      • #157413
                                                                        Sandra
                                                                        Keymaster

                                                                          Hi Sandra, it sounds like you have a table loom, where each “paddle” lifts one shaft. In your case – if you want to weave Plain Weave, you would lift up both shafts 1 and 3, throw your shuttle, beat, beater back, return 1 and 3 to resting position, lift both 2 and 4 and repeat, over and over again. For Twill, you will lift 1&2, 2&3, 3&4 and 1&4 – manually lifting the shafts you would need to make the shed you need next for your particular cloth.

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                                                                      • #157414
                                                                        juliamnorman
                                                                        Participant

                                                                          This is fantastic Jane…..I wish I’d known all this before! it explains why my results have been so variable. many thanks

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                                                                        • #160527
                                                                          Melissa Garguilo
                                                                          Participant

                                                                            This was the best explanation of sett I’ve seen.  Thank you!  I feel far more comfortable to experiment with my sett to get the fabric I want.

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                                                                          • #163792
                                                                            Danielle
                                                                            Participant

                                                                              Great video! So informative. The one part I’m confused about is when you want to warp a thicker thread and weft a thinner thread or vice versa. For example, if I have 8/2 Cotton for warp and want to try 30/2 silk in the weft, then I wrap the ruler with cotton, leaving space for fine threads of silk? Does that end up in less EPI than PPI and is that ok? Or should I just use a 20/2 silk that is closer in size? When Jane is leaving space for the boucle, I don’t understand how that would still have the same number of PPI as the cotton EPI if it is bigger and lumpier? Super beginner weaver here! Thanks!

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                                                                            • #163795
                                                                              Sandra
                                                                              Keymaster

                                                                                Hi Danielle, 8/2 cotton with 20/2 silk is yummy.  You’ll have a chance to place with sett and different yarns next season with different samples.  I, personally, love the feel of the organic 8/2 cotton and 20/2 silk together.  If you want to use 30/2 silk as a weft, I’d warp with 16/2 cotton or 40/2 linen.  You will have so much fun next Season after you get the fundamentals “under your belt”!

                                                                                 

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                                                                                Deborah Fister
                                                                                Participant

                                                                                  Very informative and now I have more information to make decisions regarding sett and the kind of cloth I want. I had been setting warp by consulting a chart: 8/2 cotton or cottolin sett at 20, 24. But now,  I can decide to change that if I want a different fabric. That sett is probably great for dish towels, but what if I want to make fabric to make a shirt? I would probably want to open it up a bit.

                                                                                  Now the question I have is for hand painted warps. For the color in the warp to stand out, I usually sett my warp closer: 30 for twill (that’s what is on my loom now), but maybe that is a little too close. How would I manage to get a nice fabric for a shirt? My dream is to make a shirt with an ikat dyed warp. Needs to be close enough for the colors to appear solid, but not so close as to be stiff. I would probably use 10/2 cotton instead of 8/2.

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                                                                                  • #164255
                                                                                    Sandra
                                                                                    Keymaster

                                                                                      Hi, Deborah. I’ve been thinking about your question and two things come to mind. One – it pretty well depends on what kind of skirt you want to make – there are so many options, summer weight, fall weight, lined or loose. You would almost want a different sett with any of those options. I love painting warps and dyeing of any kind. I look forward to seeing a photo of your ikat warp.

                                                                                      The other question was about sett for 10/2 cotton. We don’t use much 10/2 in our particular world. Jane carries the yarns that she loves, trusts and knows inside out. So in cotton – it’s 16/2, 8/2, 8/4 and 8/8 unmercerized cotton. Yarn choice, the weight of cloth you want, the cloth that appeals to you in your finished product – they are all in your realm of choice. I would wind a sample warp of the yarn you would like to use and then do samples (including finishing) with it until you get the cloth that speaks to you.

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                                                                                  • #164581
                                                                                    Deborah Fister
                                                                                    Participant

                                                                                      Just to clarify, I want to make a shirt, not a skirt with the fabric. Relatively light weight spring, summer.

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                                                                                      • #164589
                                                                                        Sandra
                                                                                        Keymaster

                                                                                          I apologize, my mistake Deborah.  Your shirt will be stunning woven in a nice open sett.  Sampling is still the answer – do you ruler wrap to get an idea of the starting point and play around sampling from there.

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                                                                                      • #168341
                                                                                        Linda Bonora
                                                                                        Participant

                                                                                          Hi. I’m new to the guild and am loving it!! So many questions have been answered as I watch the videos.

                                                                                          I bought a HUGE cone of cotton thread from a weaving shop that was changing hands. It was manufactured at the Wehadkee Mill in West Point, GA. The mill went out of business around 2004, I believe.

                                                                                          Here is my question: it is a 6-ply cotton thread. The label indicates it is 750/6 and that there are 4 lbs. on the cone. Could the 750/6 numbers possibly be correct? I used my ruler to figure out EPI and came up with 10. Should I try both an EPI and PPI of 10?

                                                                                          Any help would be appreciated! Thank you.

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                                                                                        • #168945
                                                                                          Patricia Fear
                                                                                          Participant

                                                                                            Hi,  I am relearning set and have never really used cotton although I have woven for many many years.  In the last section on set you spoke about changing a 2/12 cotton from 24 epi to 60 epi to make it warp faced – did you use the same weight cotton for the weft?  If so, what picks per inch please – would it be 60?  Thank you.

                                                                                             

                                                                                            Also could you point me to a chart which would show the different e.p.i. in different ways.  I live in France, order from the UK, and they all do different epi.  Also are you using ordinary cotton or mercerised?

                                                                                            Thank you.

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                                                                                          • #173486
                                                                                            Julie O
                                                                                            Participant

                                                                                              This episode has made clear so many questions I’ve had swirling in my head about different weights and setts. New-ish weaver here, learning so much in these courses. Thank you, Jane! You’re a fab teacher. Now I want to get some cotton boucle and silk to play around with wefts on 8/2 cotton 🙂

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                                                                                            • #174208
                                                                                              Frank Reiter
                                                                                              Participant

                                                                                                I think you may be combining two different methods.  In the divide by 2 method that many people teach the threads must be side by side as you are doing.  In Jane’s method one does not divide by 2.

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                                                                                              • #176059
                                                                                                Karen Borga
                                                                                                Participant

                                                                                                  Loved this class. Thank you. Moving on to the next one!

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                                                                                                • #177993
                                                                                                  Karen Smith
                                                                                                  Participant

                                                                                                    I have an 8/2 boucle warp of 365 ends. I originally warped it up for the Blackberry Waffle pattern and then realized I’d accidentally used the boucle instead of regular 8/2. Made up the correct warp and the tea towels worked out beautifully!
                                                                                                    Now, I’m dressing the loom with the boucle. I’m trying to figure out the correct epi so the towels won’t be too wide and still be a nice weight. Usually I make up the boucle towels with 262 ends, 22″ in the reed. The Sett chart shows the epi for boucle is 12 and it’s 18 for the 8/2 towels. Do you think an epi of 15 for the 365 ends of boucle would be all right? Then I would sley a 12 dent reed 1-1-1-2. I’m thinking they’d be approx. 24″ wide but wonder about the weight.
                                                                                                    Thanks for any advice – I’m hoping to get it right the first time!

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                                                                                                    • #178024
                                                                                                      Sandra
                                                                                                      Keymaster

                                                                                                        Jane recommends a sett of 16 epi for boucle warp and weft in Twill but 8/2 cotton warp and boucle Cotton weft is 12 epi.  What structure are you planning to weave, Karen?

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                                                                                                      MELISSA DJUKIC
                                                                                                      Participant

                                                                                                        Hello Jane and firstly a big thank you. I’m binge watching, learning loads and enjoying it massively.

                                                                                                        On behalf of other international guild members my question is, would you please consider making metric versions of your master set chart and reed substitution chart for those of us who use cms?  I personally have a sectional beamed loom with 1cm divisions and my one and only reed is 3percm.

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                                                                                                        • #180745
                                                                                                          Sandra
                                                                                                          Keymaster

                                                                                                            Hi Melissa.  There is a Blank Master Sett Chart for you to use to create your own.  We Canadians are an odd lot and live in both the Imperial and Metric world at the same time – officially our country tried to turn to metric in the 1970s but it wasn’t 100 % successful. 😉  My warping mill measures in yards, but my loom is metric!  Our rulers and measuring tapes have metric on one side and Imperial on the other.  Most of us move back and forth between the two methods of measure, depending on what we are doing and what system we learned as a child.   All the pattern measurements are in inches and yards, so you could add those as notes to your chart.

                                                                                                            • This reply was modified 3 months, 2 weeks ago by Sandra. Reason: Removing an error in calculation
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                                                                                                          MELISSA DJUKIC
                                                                                                          Participant

                                                                                                            Thanks Sandra, yes the UK is equally ambivalent about metric/imperial measurements and we still use miles and stones, but also cms and kgs and have two-faced rulers too. However, I’m sure many of Jane’s fans are using metric as her audience is international so it would be very helpful to provide both measurements, no?  Making conversions is definitely confusing and even with a calculator in hand it’s easy to make mistakes – eg: I think 16 epi would equate to 6 ends per cm or thereabouts, not 25 as you said above 😉

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                                                                                                            • #180783
                                                                                                              Sandra
                                                                                                              Keymaster

                                                                                                                Thank you for catching that, Melissa!  I will take my calculations out of the post 😏.  I’m one of the people who is hard wired in Imperial as well as slightly dyslexic when it comes to match, so I shouldn’t have answered your question with those kind of details.  I apologize. 😔

                                                                                                                Members from the Guild are from all over the world, with access to yarns and other weaving supplies that are different from the ones that we have in our corner of the west coast of Canada.  Jane’s hope with the Online Guild is to give us the tools to fly on our own, creating our own cloth with the yarns available to us.  Not everyone has access to 8/2 cotton for instance, but they do have access a ruler – whether in metric or Imperial – to work out how many ends per cm or inch their particular yarn will be “happiest” at using the structure they plan to use.  Creating your own Master Sett Chart, for the yarns you have access to, in whatever method of measurement you are most comfortable with, IMHO, is still the best way to go.

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                                                                                                            • #183094
                                                                                                              Tamara Hackley
                                                                                                              Participant

                                                                                                                Hi Jane,

                                                                                                                I going to try to weave the double weave sampler from Jennifer Moore’s book on my 4 shaft wolf baby loom using 8/2 cotton -pattern says use 8 dent  reed but I only have a 10 dent and 12 dent reed.  The pattern calls for 32 epi (18 epi for each layer) width in reed 9 inches.  Thread dark on 4, light on 2, dark on 3 and light on 1.

                                                                                                                I used the 10 dent reed –according to the reed substitution chart 32.5 epi– I would be sleying heddles I would sley heddles 3-3-3-4 or if I used 12 dent reed at 32 epi; I would sley heddles 2-3-3. How does this work with double weave?  on 10 dent would I sley 3 light color, 3 dark color, 3 light color and 4 dark color? on 12 dent- would I sled 2 light color, 3 dark color, 3 light color and 2 dark color?

                                                                                                                Thank you,

                                                                                                                Just a little confused

                                                                                                                Tamara Hackley

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                                                                                                              • #185601
                                                                                                                Hugh Malleson
                                                                                                                Participant

                                                                                                                  How amazing is this lesson?! Absolutely fascinating! I’m picking up a brand new Louet Jane soon (I’m beyond excited!), and this comes with the standard 10 dent reed. What is the advantage of having a 12/15 dent reed against just sticking with the 10 and using the chart to determine your sett?

                                                                                                                  I am so enjoying this course – I just don’t have the hours in the day to do enough weaving!!

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                                                                                                                  • #185711
                                                                                                                    Ginette
                                                                                                                    Keymaster

                                                                                                                      Hi Hugh,

                                                                                                                      If the setts for the 10 works for you, that’ll be good. I found with the 10 I can’t do the setts I often use like 18 & 22, mind you the 17.5 and the 22.5 is pretty close 😉

                                                                                                                       

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                                                                                                                  • #185706
                                                                                                                    Kaley Pugh
                                                                                                                    Participant

                                                                                                                      I’m wondering the same thing.  If I’m doing a balanced plain weave, could I not just measure a half inch on the ruler?  It seems more precise than eyeballing the spaces. And likewise, for a twill, could you measure/count 2/3″ to get the 2 and 1 ratio? I’m very, very new, so apologize if I’m missing something or being overly particular!

                                                                                                                      Loving the course and materials so far – thank you so much!

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                                                                                                                      • #185713
                                                                                                                        Ginette
                                                                                                                        Keymaster

                                                                                                                          Hi Kaley,

                                                                                                                          For sure you could do it that way. Jane demonstrated for an inch to explain the concept of determining sett but yes, you can wrap just a half inch on the ruler.

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                                                                                                                      • #187582
                                                                                                                        Sharon
                                                                                                                        Participant

                                                                                                                          When Jane wraps the ruler for twill she does 2 space, 2 space,etc. Is that for just a 2/2 twill?  What if you are doing a 1/3 twill?

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                                                                                                                        • #187645
                                                                                                                          Sandra
                                                                                                                          Keymaster

                                                                                                                            Yes, if you are working out your sett for a warp with 3/1 and 1/3, wraps your ruler with 3 together and leaving room for your 1 thread and the same the other way.  However, Jane uses the same sett in the Twill Sample in Season 4, Episode 1 for both the 2/2 and the 3/1, 1/3 twill.

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                                                                                                                          • #189663
                                                                                                                            Barbara D Furgiuele
                                                                                                                            Participant

                                                                                                                              This is so interesting !   I had NO IDEA that I wanted the holes (neg. space) in my project !!!!      Do the neg. spaces in towels affect the absorbency ?

                                                                                                                              Can I sneak in another little question here since I have your attention?

                                                                                                                              I have a 12 dent reed that came with my Ashford Floor loom….    is there another size you would suggest for the future?      I really am interested in weaving some kind of rag rug placemats  (8/4 cotton warp )    Can I do that on this loom?  is it heavy enough?   (I don’t really understand that lingo, I read it somewhere)

                                                                                                                               

                                                                                                                              Thanks

                                                                                                                              Barbara

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                                                                                                                              • #190108
                                                                                                                                Sandra
                                                                                                                                Keymaster

                                                                                                                                  I’d go with an 8 – but you can check Jane’s Reed Substitution Chart and see which reed would give the widest variety of possible setts.

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                                                                                                                              • #190582
                                                                                                                                Carol Wiegand
                                                                                                                                Participant

                                                                                                                                  This has been one of the best lessons.  Thank you so much.  I am a relatively new  weaver.  How do you weave so you have a certain amount of pics per inch?  Are you stopping every so often and counting the number of rows per inch?

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                                                                                                                                • #190617
                                                                                                                                  Sandra
                                                                                                                                  Keymaster

                                                                                                                                    The best thing to do is to watch and place every pic allowing for the negative space that Jane describes in the video you just watched.  As you go forward, you will see examples of Jane doing just that as she weaves 😉  You’ll master all the tricks of weaving overtime time and practice, Carol – welcome to our world!

                                                                                                                                     

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                                                                                                                                  • #192411
                                                                                                                                    Hugh Malleson
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                                                                                                                                      I’ve just done a series of samples on my Louet Jane loom using 8/4 (4 ply) cotton. I started at 14 epi/ppi then down to 12 epi/12ppi and finally 10 epi/ppi. Interestingly, the 10 was the trickiest as I had to use a light but consistent beat.

                                                                                                                                      The difference in drape and feel is amazing – I would highly recommend this little exercise as it’s given me a real feel of the new loom. The selvedges were quite poor though, and I suspect that this was down to trying to weave too near the reed – more frequent advances would have prevented variable tension in the warp as the ‘angle’ of the shed increased as it got shorter

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                                                                                                                                      Margaret
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                                                                                                                                        I have a Swedish pattern for a scarf.  The warp is 16/2 cotton doubled.  Is there an advantage to using a finer yarn doubled rather than using 8/2 cotton?

                                                                                                                                        I rewatched this episode and realized how much I missed the first time through 4 years ago!  As always, this guild is fabulous.

                                                                                                                                        Marg

                                                                                                                                         

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                                                                                                                                        Sandra
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                                                                                                                                          Hi Marg – I don’t see why you couldn’t use 8/2 cotton because the 16/2 doubled would act like 1 thread.  It could be that because 8/2 can be difficult to locate in EU and this weaver creates that weight of yarn by doubling.

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