Thoughts on 3.8.1 – Introduction to Supplementary Warps

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    • #155903
      Ginette
      Keymaster

        Let us know your thoughts on 3.8.1 – Introduction to Supplementary Warps.

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      • #155904
        05hickory
        Participant

          The sheet that Jane Stafford is holding is not the same as in the PDF. The sheet she holds has 3 divisions whereas the PDF only has 2 divisions that do not look to be the same. What is correct?

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          • #155905
            Ginette
            Keymaster

              Hi there, the PDF for download for the lesson is correct, thanks for checking though! There were changes done to the draft to accommodate the sample for this lesson that she is weaving in the 3.8.2 video.

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              • #155906
                05hickory
                Participant

                  Thanks for checking.

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            • #155907
              Nancy
              Participant

                Are the 3 and 4 supplemental threads sleyed along with a 1 or 2 or are they sleyed separately?

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                • #155909
                  Jane
                  Keymaster

                    They are sleyed in with the ground. There is a section in the PDF that shows you the sleying 🙂

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                    • #155917
                      diannedavenport
                      Participant

                        For some reason, I got two background threads between the two light green warp threads. And it looks funny. I thought according to the pdf that the two light green warp threads should be next to each other in the fabric. I double checked the threading and the denting and they are correct. I can take a picture if needed. I have taken my sample off and need to rethread and/or re-sley before weaving again.

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                  • #155908
                    Marcella Harrison
                    Participant

                      Thanks so much for sending this great episode out today. We (in NC) are under a hurricane watch and this is a great program to be watching as the rain is pouring down and the wind is blowing hard outside. Once again thanks.
                      marcella

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                      • #155910
                        Jane
                        Keymaster

                          Stay safe Marcella 🙂 Our thoughts are with you.

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                      • #155911
                        NANCY
                        Participant

                          In the video on the right is a beautiful crammed denting! What is the warp? Is appears not to exist. Thank you!

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                          • #155912
                            Jane
                            Keymaster

                              Hi Nancy, are you referring to fabric hanging on the wall?

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                              • #155913
                                NANCY
                                Participant

                                  In the video it is way to the right of the blackboard. In some of the video you can see it swaying. It has bright colors in it. Definitely cram and denting. It appears no have no warp, but of course it does. Thank you!

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                            • #155914
                              sharikalb
                              Participant

                                I can’t find 16/2 raspberry here in the U.S. – what color is close to it? There is Cerise, Scarlet, and Garnet available

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                                • #155915
                                  sharikalb
                                  Participant

                                    I went with brassard magenta since it was a better match

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                                • #155918
                                  loislinnea01
                                  Participant

                                    Jane, this is so fun, and I’m excited to try it. But I’m curious why you chose to do the border in weft faced? Won’t that make the edges stiff or less drapey? Thx!

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                                  • #155919
                                    diannedavenport
                                    Participant

                                      For some reason, I got two background threads between the two light green warp threads. And it looks funny. I thought according to the pdf that the two light green warp threads should be next to each other in the fabric. I double checked the threading and the denting and they are correct. I can take a picture if needed. I have taken my sample off and need to rethread and/or re-sley before weaving again

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                                    • #155920
                                      Emma Hamilton
                                      Participant

                                        I’m hoping it will all come clear in the next section or when I actually do it, because I feel lost!

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                                        • #155921
                                          Sandra
                                          Keymaster

                                            Emma – I think it’s one of those things that we actually have to weave, for us to have a eureka moment! I’m looking forward to “playing” with it when I have an empty loom – the possibilities are exciting 😉

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                                        • #155922
                                          Emma Hamilton
                                          Participant

                                            I would have liked to have been shown detail of the sample when explaining the tie-up and what each combination produces. I think that would have helped understand. So I guess I should have printed the PDF to look at while watching! (printer not working.)

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                                          • #155923
                                            Roy F.
                                            Participant

                                              About to jump in to supplemental warp weaving; may I assume that your explanation for the CounterBalance tie up is the same alternative as for my CounterMarche? I simply reverse the placement for each treadle so that your empty boxes are the boxes I use for my cords? (or else my pattern will be upside down !!).

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                                            • #174287
                                              Elysa Dennett
                                              Participant

                                                Love, love, love, love, love… this project. It was SO much fun to weave.  Took me 2 days to figure out the warp colors.  Doh.  Nothing seemed like it would work… then this happened!    🙂

                                                Supplementary Scarf 1

                                                 

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                                                • #174294
                                                  Sandra
                                                  Keymaster

                                                    Beautiful, Elysa!

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                                                • #175275
                                                  Susan Henry
                                                  Participant

                                                    Is Jane sing unmercerized cotton in this project, or mercerized? How did she decide between these?

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                                                    • #175280
                                                      Sandra
                                                      Keymaster

                                                        Hi Susan – Jane weaves with the yarn she carries in her shop.  She doesn’t carry mercerized cotton, so the answer to your question is unmercerized 🙂

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                                                    • #179943
                                                      Jane
                                                      Participant

                                                        I have 12 treadles—could a second supplementary warp color be threaded on shaft 5 and 6? Just curious?

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                                                      • #179982
                                                        Sandra
                                                        Keymaster

                                                          You would have to rewrite the draft Jane, to include the extra shafts and treadles.  However, if you haven’t already woven the Supplementary Warp sample, that’s where I would start before creating your own unique cloth.  Pay close attention to what’s happening while you weave, so that you can put your new knowledge into creating your own design.  If you have Fiberworks PCW – you could “play” in that and see what happens!

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                                                        • #179986
                                                          Jane
                                                          Participant

                                                            Thanks. I am putting the warp on the loom, so will take the opportunity to learn about how it all works before I get fancy!

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                                                          • #184041
                                                            Velma Hudson
                                                            Participant

                                                              I’m about to try supplemental warps.  I’ve worked it out in Fibreworks and it looks like there are 2 and 3 thread weft floats at each supplemental warp.  Is that correct or am I missing something.  The threading draft shows the two supplementals side by side.

                                                               

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                                                            • #186233
                                                              Rochelle Hoffman
                                                              Participant

                                                                I’m excited to try using a supplementary warp. However I only have 16/2 bamboo and not cotton. Rather than purchasing more yarn, can I use the bamboo?  Will the sett be the same?  Thanks

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                                                              • #186237
                                                                Rochelle Hoffman
                                                                Participant

                                                                  I checked my stash again and I also have 20/2 cotton.  If I go with that what should I use for the sett?  Thanks again

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                                                                • #186248
                                                                  Velma Hudson
                                                                  Participant

                                                                    Hi Rochelle.  I have just finished a supplemental warp scarf using 16/2 bamboo.  Sett at 20 epi.  I had to beat carefully to maintain a 20 ppi beat but it turned out beautifully.  It is stable, puddles like a dream, a touch see through.  Makes a great fashion scarf.  I also made one out of 8/2 tencel, same sett, same ppi which is nice but is thicker and less “dreamy”.  I had to fluff the tencel scarf in my dryer on cool to get a softer hand.

                                                                    The attached picture is the 16/2 bamboo scarf.20201130_083353

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                                                                  • #186278
                                                                    Rochelle Hoffman
                                                                    Participant

                                                                      Thanks! Your scarf is beautiful & I can’t wait to get started. Seeing family, going on trips, even going to the mall is no longer an option and won’t be for many months ahead. Thank heaven I can immerse myself in learning new things and hopefully making lovely creations.

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                                                                    • #187857
                                                                      nc345
                                                                      Participant

                                                                        Curious–are the warp faced borders for aesthetic reasons or for structure or for both when doing the supplemental warp?

                                                                         

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                                                                        • #188021
                                                                          Sandra
                                                                          Keymaster

                                                                            They give the edge borders structure for the more open sett of the sample and scarf.

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                                                                        • #187859
                                                                          nc345
                                                                          Participant

                                                                            Velma,

                                                                            your scarf is beautiful!!  congrats!!

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                                                                          • #193206
                                                                            Geraldine
                                                                            Participant

                                                                              Did anyone else find that the warp faced borders caused the warp to tighten more. I found that I ended up having a lot of the border threads breaking

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                                                                            • #196391
                                                                              Christine King
                                                                              Participant

                                                                                <p style=”text-align: left;”>Hi Jane and team</p>
                                                                                I can’t wait to do this sample. Can you please tell me what TT stands for at the top of the first tie up on the black board.

                                                                                Many thanks

                                                                                Chris

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                                                                              • #196421
                                                                                Sandra
                                                                                Keymaster

                                                                                  Those first 2 treadles weave plain weave, so the TT stands for tabby, tabby (tabby being another word for Plain weave).

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                                                                                • #196444
                                                                                  Geraldine
                                                                                  Participant

                                                                                    I moved the supplementary  warps for the second scarf by adding in extra heddles8EF637F7-8261-4BAD-B747-2D8910263D3F

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                                                                                  • #196495
                                                                                    Christine King
                                                                                    Participant

                                                                                      Thank you sandra.

                                                                                       

                                                                                      Kind regards

                                                                                      Chris

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                                                                                    • #198182
                                                                                      Trish
                                                                                      Participant

                                                                                        A number of us have sectional warps – Jane have you found a trick to weighting the sup warp threads?  We find that the rod doesn’t hang far enough away from the beam to pass over the Unails on the sectional.  Although one can hang weights on a full one inch section sometimes there are many sections across the warp and sometimes the thread are crossed over the nails …in other words there are a ton of individual weights making weaving no fun.  Hoping you’ve found away around this that you can share with us. thanks

                                                                                         

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                                                                                        • #198324
                                                                                          Jane
                                                                                          Keymaster

                                                                                            Sorry Trish, I don’t use sectional warp beams.  I do understand the issue but have no experience coming up with a solution.

                                                                                             

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                                                                                        • #198331
                                                                                          Trish
                                                                                          Participant

                                                                                            Thanks for letting me/us know – I would remove the sectional but….it’s there and it has the 1 yard extension which is nice 🙂  If I had carpentry skills I’d just make a 1 yard extension …but I don’t 🙂  happy weaving!

                                                                                             

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