Thoughts on 3.3 – Good Weaving Technique – Playing the Loom

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    • #157452
      Ginette
      Keymaster

        Let us know your thoughts on 3.3 – Good Weaving Technique – Playing the Loom.

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      • #157453
        sjgriebling
        Participant

          I have a Norwood 4 shaft loom and I have trouble getting my shed to open as far as I see here – any ideas what is wrong?

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          • #157454
            Jane
            Keymaster

              Could be the length of your tie-up cords. It is always good to get in touch with the loom manufacturer for specifics about each loom….they are all different…all have different geometry.
              The tie-up cord length on one loom will be completely different than on another loom. That is why it is best to send photos to Norwood and get their advice 🙂

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              • #157455
                sjgriebling
                Participant

                  Thank you. That is good to know. I just emailed them!
                  Sue

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                  • #157484
                    Wanda Bennett
                    Participant

                      I too have a Norwood. I thought they were out of business. May I ask who you contacted?

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              • #157456
                Lee
                Participant

                  Jane,
                  I am enjoying the learning your style (sense of humour)! Will you be doing a video on the tieing up the foot pedals to the shafts? Which pedal is tied to which shaft? I noticed in the techniques video that you seemed to be using only two foot pedals but it was hard to see. I am a brand new shaft weaver and haven’t put on the warp yet.

                  thank you,
                  Lee

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                  • #157457
                    Ginette
                    Keymaster

                      Hi Lee,
                      Jane has harnesses 1 & 3 tied together and 2 & 4 together to weave Plain Weave in this video. In Episode 8 – All About Looms, she talks the treadles for each of type of looms, counter-balance, rising shed, jack loom & counter-march and how to tie them up. Which type of loom do you have? Exciting that this is your first time on a shaft loom!

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                  • #157458
                    wbcostume8
                    Participant

                      Jane
                      Thank you for showing us a different broken thread solution. Even though I am an intermediate weaver, I don’t get enough time to weave and practice so these refresher videos are wonderful. I am learning many different ways to do things!
                      Wendy Melbourne

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                    • #157459
                      rooneymt
                      Participant

                        I may have missed it, but what size is your shuttle? Schacht makes a standard 11″ shuttle but they also have a mini 9″ shuttle. I’m assuming you are referring to the 11″? Thank you so much!!!

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                        • #157461
                          Sandra
                          Keymaster

                            Mine are 11″ shuttles (like Jane’s) and they are a perfect weight. I have a pair of “slim” ones that I use on my table loom where my shed is smaller.

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                        • #157460
                          yezemin
                          Participant

                            Thank you so much Jane, for this great video! I’m weaving for a few years now, but not a lot, so as it feels like I have the techniques down I wanted to check if there were things I missed, as a few things just didn’t feel comfortable.

                            A few weeks ago I started to weave a blanket in deflected doubleweave. Before that I watched Madelyn van der Hoogts video about that and was amazed as she told me: Always use a temple.
                            I got even 2 with my loom, but after fiddeling around a bit when I started I put them away, because I found them annoying.

                            But I have too and out they came again and I wove around 80cm with them, not very happy with them, but if I really have too…

                            Then I watched your video and thought: But that’s how I did it all the time and she says my selvedges will be perfect with that. Ok, they aren’t as sometimes I miss a loop and are to lazy to weave back to it or there is just a teeny bit of snag I didn’t even recognize or the selvedge gets a bit stuck on itself (happens with wooly stuff), but my edges were pretty straight without that temple.

                            So off the loom it went just now again. So much better!

                            And what’s great: You gave me the confidence not to check my selvedges all the time, as I do it the way you show. I just never was sure, that it really will be ok and every time something snagged or so I said to me: See, good that you check that as you don’t have a clue how to do it perfect!

                            I have to admit I don’t hold my shuttle like a teacup, but I also don’t grab it like a stick. More like a pencil or a dart. Have to test if it makes a difference if I hold it like you showed, but as you said: Habit… I feel pretty comfortable holding it my way and changing it it feels so crampy. 🙂

                            Thank you also so much for that mentioning of the over and under to grab the selvedge threads. I wondered why that happens sometimes, but never noticed the up or down slope of the weft as indicator what could be the cause for that.

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                          • #157462
                            Lindsay Robb
                            Participant

                              Hi! Total beginner here and no one to help within 150km! My question probably betrays that fact 🙂

                              So Jane, you talked about liking the open bottom shuttle because you can control the bobbin turn with your little finger. After you catch the shuttle, are you then using your little finger to ‘stay’ the bobbin while you beat? It looks like you might be doing this, so although I haven’t tried yet I thought I’d ask the question while it’s in my head.

                              Second question: I’ve been watching the videos and I’d like to get going a little bit. I’m learning on a little 15″ Dorothy for now with two looms waiting in the basement for when I wrap my head around all of this! Just wind a plain 2/8 cotton warp for now and tie it up 1,2,3,4 to start practicing as I’m still watching videos?

                              Thank you! I’ve been cursing living in ‘the sticks’ of Alberta in some kind of fibre black hole area but your videos are definitely helping get rid of the trepidation of starting!

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                              • #157463
                                Sandra
                                Keymaster

                                  You’ve got it, Lindsay. I use my finger to stop the weft – without pulling on it – after I have placed it in position to beat.

                                  If you are using your Dorothy table loom, after threading your warp through shafts in order of 1, 2, 3, 4 until your warp is totally threaded, you manually lift shafts 1 & 3 – throw and beat and then 2 & 4 – throw and beat, for every pick. It works just like a floor loom but your arms gets the exercise! Not sure if I’ve answered your question, let me know.

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                                  • #157464
                                    Lindsay Robb
                                    Participant

                                      Thank you! Yes, it did help! And after watching Jane talk about bonding with your loom etc (later episode about loom types), I think I want to skip the Dorothy and get my Minerva upstairs. I just need to get rid of my couch first to make room!
                                      Thanks for the reply.

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                                • #157465
                                  Ila McCallum
                                  Participant

                                    I have always beat on a closed shed but decided that I would giver your method a try. I must say that I like it and my selvages are better, at least on a first try on my table loom. An old dog can always learn something new! Thank you.

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                                  • #157466

                                    I am very new at this. I have a 4 shaft 15″ leclerc table loom and my shed is not looking right. The down shed is loosey goosey while the up shed is tight. I tried to loosen up the tension but it doesn’t help. If I try to tighten it , then I cannot move the shaft. Also, the shed is poorly defined and I can’t put the shuttle thru. I have to finger in to find the up shed!
                                    What am I doing wrong?

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                                    • #157467
                                      Sandra
                                      Keymaster

                                        These might sound like silly questions but please don’t ask me how I know to ask 😉 Is your warp going over the back beam and straight across your loom to your heddles and reed? When you tied on, did you pull your warp ends so they were tight and even before tying on? Let me know and we can take it from there.

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                                        • #157468

                                          You’re right! I had not gone over the beam on the front or back. I managed to fix it without losing the warp. Thanks so much

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                                    • #157469
                                      sylvia.lowry
                                      Participant

                                        I thought I had mounted my warp very successfully and I started plain weave placemats without incident. But as I got about half way through the second mat, the draw in increased to 1.5 inches on either side and I noticed that about 8 ends at both edges had become quite loose. Why, I can’t figure out. I finished the second mat but I need to fix this before going on. Is there any solution to this without cutting and retying the ends? I can’t weight them at the back because I’ll have smiley selvedges. I’ve never had this problem before. Why now? I’m using 2/8 cotton sett at 18epi. I hope you can help because I didn’t put on much extra warp.
                                        Sylvia

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                                        • #157470
                                          Sandra
                                          Keymaster

                                            My guess, without seeing what’s happening, is that there are spots in your warp that might be longer than others, possibly from your warping pegs being a bit loose. You would have corrected that when you first tied on to the cloth beam but, as you move into the warp, they are moving forward to closer to your fell line. Have you “walked your hand” across your tied on warp to feel whether the tension is even across the warp? To get a visual of what I’m talking about – head back to Season 1: Episode 2-6 at the 9:15 minute mark. You should be able to feel problem areas and then, hang a weight off that area to even the tension across your warp. If your tension is even and you weave with Jane’s mantra “throw, beat, change, beater back” you shouldn’t get smiley faces. Let us know if that works.

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                                        • #157471
                                          Emma Hamilton
                                          Participant

                                            When it says. “dive the dip, jump the bump,” is that only if you are using two shuttles and interlocking the wefts at the selvedge? As in jump over the bump that the other thread makes in order to catch it, and vice versa?

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                                            • #157472
                                              Sandra
                                              Keymaster

                                                You’ve got it!

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                                            • #157473
                                              Nancy Richard
                                              Participant

                                                I’m trying to figure out how you’re tying the surgeon’s knot. You do something double with your threads, but I can’t see it on the video. Could you describe it or send a picture? I use a lark’s head knot (I think) and it seems okay, but I’d like to try the knot you’re using and see if it’s even better.
                                                I’m a relatively new weaver, and I’m learning so much from your videos. Thank you!

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                                                • #157474
                                                  Jane
                                                  Keymaster

                                                    Hi Nancy
                                                    It is just a normal reef knot with an extra twist. When you tie your shoes the first part is a reef knot. All I do is put put an extra wrap in it. I’m sorry I can’t draw it because I’m a lousy drawer.

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                                                • #157475
                                                  Gai Evans
                                                  Participant

                                                    First, Thankyou for such a great series of videos – I love your teaching style. I’m a RHL weaver and have just started using an 8 shaft 24″Ashford table loom. I can’t quite wrap my head around how you put the warp on with only one cross – the only place for my raddle to rest is on the back beam. But I’m using a raddle cross and it’s OK. I was pleased to see you use the same method of tying on to the front as I do on my RH. rather than lashing on which I’ve always found a bit hit and miss. My question is about beating on an open shed – my beater won’t stay forward unless I hold it but I need my hand to change the levers so I tend to throw, beat, beater back, change, rather than throw, beat, change, beater back. I can’t quite see the difference it makes apart from perhaps speed? I’m also currently using a stick shuttle because I’m used to it but will a boat shuttle be OK without a race?

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                                                    • #157476
                                                      Sandra
                                                      Keymaster

                                                        Jane is really a fan of changing your shafts on a closed shed. When I’m weaving on my table loom, I hold the beater with one hand and change the shafts with the other. I know – you can’t do it all by holding your shuttle at the same time like you can on a floor loom, but …….. it does hold your weft in place while you are changing to the next pick. In my mind, it also helps me get nicer selvedges.

                                                        With regards to your raddle – can you clamp it on to your castle? Again, that’s what I do on my table loom. I know you have the tall beater bars but maybe there is room to clamp it there if you have all your toggles down. Just a thought 😉

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                                                        • #157477
                                                          Gai Evans
                                                          Participant

                                                            Thanks Sandra – I shall give it a go – holding the beater forward with one hand and changing with the other. When I’ve finished the project on the loom I’ll have another go with warping and try and put the raddle on the castle. (where there’s a will, there’s often a way! ) Do you have any advice regarding using a boat shuttle versus a stick shuttle on a small table loom?

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                                                            • #157478
                                                              Sandra
                                                              Keymaster

                                                                Hi back, Gai! I’ve totally converted to Schacht 11” open bottom shuttles – I have 2 slim ones that I keep with my table loom and 2 regular depth ones that live upstairs with my David loom. They are nice and light on the warp and give me control of the bobbin as well. I’ve had other shuttles in my weaving life, but I very rarely use them. I think I would find a stick shuttle too slow unless I was doing a hand manipulated weave structure like pick-up. Hope this helps. Keep us posted on the Forum as to how you are doing!

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                                                        • #157479
                                                          Debra Harrison
                                                          Participant

                                                            Is there somewhere where you discuss what to do with the “dog leashes” when you are done with the weaving? I haven’t felt secure with leaving just a loop around the end threads yet. Thanks!

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                                                            • #157480
                                                              Ginette
                                                              Keymaster

                                                                Hi Debra,
                                                                In Season 1 Episode 10.6 Ironing, Pressing, Trimming at the 8:38 mark, Jane shows what to do with tails after the fabric has been washed, which you can do as well with the ‘dog leashes’, love that term 😉
                                                                In just a few more episodes, 5.2 actually, you’ll have a good look at Tucking Tails technique.

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                                                            • #157482
                                                              Cheryl Wilner
                                                              Participant

                                                                I have just finished Season 2 and I am now doing my first color and weave gamp. I was reviewing the Season 1 , Lesson 3.3 in particular had noted the repair of a broken warp thread. The next day I was happily weaving along and – WHAT!? – I had this weird knot. Turned out to be a broken warp thread. I was almost giddy with excitement. LOL. I am sure that is not a normal new weaver reaction to this event. Thank you Jane for taking time to show us that things don’t always go perfectly, things happen and we can just manage the issue and weave on! My repair is almost seamless and holding brilliantly.

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                                                              • #157483
                                                                juliamnorman
                                                                Participant

                                                                  I love your warmth and your humour Jane.
                                                                  Its great that you talk about posture and that your own is so good. I teach the Alexander technique and am often horrified when watching others weaving, spinning or doing almost anything without any awareness of their “use” as Mr Alexander would say.

                                                                  Many thanks,

                                                                  Julia

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                                                                • #157485
                                                                  Vicki Klaassen
                                                                  Participant

                                                                    I’m wondering about more specifics regarding what type of a header to weave. When I tie on, I’m making eight warp thread groups as instructed but I missed any specifics about how to weave a header that brings the warp threads together before doing the hem stitching. Thanks!

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                                                                    • #157486
                                                                      Sandra
                                                                      Keymaster

                                                                        I just weave less than an inch, using a similar weight yarn to the warp which stabilizes your cloth. Leave enough space so that you have room for your needle, throw a couple of picks and start hemming!

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                                                                    • #158490
                                                                      nancy martin
                                                                      Participant

                                                                        As a newbie to the floor loom, your videos are invaluable, especially for those of us who have very little on-site access to classes. I learned to weave on the rigid heddle through books and videos, and starting the same way with a “new to me” 4/6 floor loom. Since I have not developed my own style of throwing the shuttle yet (just “threw it”!) I tried your method on my second piece and it works very well. I still have fairly uneven selvedges but will continue to work on that. And a question on hem-stitching: I learned to do it in a similar way; but on the diagonal stitch, I bring up the needle inside the loop (or the “C” as it was described to me.) I assume your method makes it very secure, or you wouldnt do it, but I find it interesting that you don’t need to catch the loop of thread. I also like your way of hemstitching from the right side with both beginning and ending, instead of from the left at the end of the piece; which is the way I was taught. I will try your way on my next practice project.  I love your relaxed teaching manner.

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                                                                        • #158496
                                                                          Ginette
                                                                          Keymaster

                                                                            Hi Nancy,

                                                                            There are so many ways of hemstitching and doing some decorative ones as well. The way Jane demonstrates is also my go-to stitch, which I learned from Jane years ago and it a good secure stitch. I would give it a go and try it out and see which one you prefer. I have done the one you do, that’s another good hemstitch 🙂

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                                                                        • #158539
                                                                          Alice Martin
                                                                          Participant

                                                                            Hi Jane,

                                                                            I’m really enjoying your videos and your great personality.  Do you have a handout of how you repair a broken thread?

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                                                                            • #158542
                                                                              Ginette
                                                                              Keymaster

                                                                                Hi Alice,

                                                                                There’s no handout on how to repair a broken thread that Jane demonstrates in this lesson at the 24:55. You could review it again on the video and slow down the speed. You’ll find the speed control in the setting icon at the bottom right of the video screen. Hope this helps!

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                                                                            • #160375
                                                                              Mary Thresher
                                                                              Participant

                                                                                Just watched the repair of the broken thread and was wondering what happens to the final end of the new warp thread? Does it hang loose over the back beam for the rest of the weaving or ??? I probably missed the explanation on this so forgive me for asking if Jane does say what to do with it. So many good tips in these videos!

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                                                                                • #160398
                                                                                  Sandra
                                                                                  Keymaster

                                                                                    Hi Mary.  Jane only uses that interim replacement warp thread until the original warp thread can be introduced to her cloth.  You can see her showing us how to do this at the 40 minute mark of the “Good Weaving Techniques – Playing at the Loom”.

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                                                                                • #162373
                                                                                  Stephanie Thomas
                                                                                  Participant

                                                                                    WoW! That sequence of events for throwing, beating in open shed, leaving beater, changing the shed and moving the beater back is WONDERFUL. I don’t hate my salvages any more! What a great way of doing things you have. Thanks for sharing!

                                                                                    Stephanie

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                                                                                  • #163561
                                                                                    Deborah Fister
                                                                                    Participant

                                                                                      wonderful episode and I need some help repairing a cut warp thread. I had to unweave several inches of weaving to correct a mistake and I cut a thread on my hand painted warp. I don’r have a matching thread to mend it with. Any suggestions?

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                                                                                    • #166091
                                                                                      Kellie Stapleton
                                                                                      Participant

                                                                                        Re: broken warp thread. Trying to figure out the sequence with the new thread. First weave it in and secure it with a needle on the front beam side. Jane goes to the back but I don’t see how she gets the new thread tied in a bow to the original thread on the back beam side?

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                                                                                        • #166143
                                                                                          Sandra
                                                                                          Keymaster

                                                                                            She ties the new warp threads to the broken warp thread, as tight as she can with a bow leaving enough of the broken thread available to pull through the heddle when she can.  She then weaves until she can bring it through her heddle, and work the original warp thread in again.  Clear as mud, Kellie?

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                                                                                        • #166141
                                                                                          Lela Christo
                                                                                          Participant

                                                                                            Is there any reason to use a regular shuttle over a slim? I have a schacht 11 in. open bottom slim shuttle and am needing to buy another but wondering if I should buy a regular instead of slim.
                                                                                            Thanks,
                                                                                            Catherine

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                                                                                            • #166144
                                                                                              Sandra
                                                                                              Keymaster

                                                                                                I have 2 slim ones for my table loom which doesn’t have a huge shed, and two regular  shuttles for my Louet David that has much bigger shed.  Therefore, I’m saying “it depends” 😉

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                                                                                            • #166190
                                                                                              Deborah Fister
                                                                                              Participant

                                                                                                my replacement warp thread was tied to the broken one and then pulled to the back. The untied end was woven into the cloth. The other end was tied to the warp at the back in a bow. But then something went wrong. I saw the bow  come up, but maybe too late. Anyway, the bow came undone and I had to thread the heddle by hand. I think I am going to pull the warp through when I am done. I wove too far and wasn’t going to take it out.

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                                                                                              • #166208
                                                                                                Lela Christo
                                                                                                Participant

                                                                                                  I have a baby wolf. I assume there is no advantage to a bigger shuttle? Like to have it as light as possible.

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                                                                                                  • #166231
                                                                                                    Sandra
                                                                                                    Keymaster

                                                                                                      Go for the one that you feel you will be most comfortable with, Lela.  My comments were on what works best for me – there is no right or wrong answer on choice of shuttle – only what’s best for you.

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                                                                                                  • #166782
                                                                                                    Shelley Lamie
                                                                                                    Participant

                                                                                                      Question on repairing the broken warp thread — is there a recommended number of picks to leave the anchor in? I don’t want to remove it too soon, but for some reason, it feels weird to leave it in for too long. Thank you for such great instructions!

                                                                                                       

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                                                                                                      • #166796
                                                                                                        Sandra
                                                                                                        Keymaster

                                                                                                          In my mind, it’s kind of related to your sett and the yarn you are working with.  If your warp is wool, it will grab and hold well.  Silk, not so much so I might give it more room to be secure.  I often anchor it for 1 ½ or 2 inches.

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                                                                                                        Pauline Bellecci
                                                                                                        Participant

                                                                                                          I originally posted a question, then later in episode it was answered..So, am editing here. But is there a way to just delete totally to avoid clogging up the discussion?
                                                                                                          I don’t see a comment delete button anywhere on IPad.

                                                                                                          • This reply was modified 1 month ago by Pauline Bellecci. Reason: Original question answered and I don’t know how to delete
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                                                                                                        • #167960
                                                                                                          Marty Wink
                                                                                                          Participant

                                                                                                            Hi,

                                                                                                            Finally!  The reason for my loopy selves gets is a too small shed!!  Is there a general rule or percentage of an open shed that represents the ‘sweet spot’?  What are the boundaries?  Two-thirds of the distance between the apron and extended beater?

                                                                                                            Thanks!

                                                                                                            Marty

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                                                                                                          • #167969
                                                                                                            Deborah Fister
                                                                                                            Participant

                                                                                                              I am not sure if there is an actual number, but the shorter the distance between the breast beam and the beater, the more often you have to advance the water. On my table loom, I have to advance every inch or so.

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                                                                                                            • #169367
                                                                                                              Amy Greenberg
                                                                                                              Participant

                                                                                                                Hi – I noticed that Jane started the plain weave from right to left.  I found that if I start with 1/3 sheds from left to right, and then 2/4 sheds from right to left I catch the last thread for my selvedge.  Is there anything I’m missing about this?  How do you make sure that you don’t have loose selvedge thread when doing plain weave?

                                                                                                                Thanks so much!

                                                                                                                Amy

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                                                                                                                • #169375
                                                                                                                  Ginette
                                                                                                                  Keymaster

                                                                                                                    Hi Amy,

                                                                                                                    With Plain Weave it won’t matter if you start with 1/3 or 2/4 as you will always catch the last thread. Are you by any chance using a floating selvedge?

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                                                                                                                • #170748
                                                                                                                  Linda Bonora
                                                                                                                  Participant

                                                                                                                    Hi! I’ve been weaving for just over 3 years now. I learned to weave on a rigid heddle loom, then got a used 2 shaft counter balance loom, followed by an 8-shaft Macomber loom, and, finally, I have an 8-shaft Schacht standard loom.

                                                                                                                    This lesson was really an eye opener! Who would have thought that changing the sequence in weaving would make such a difference! I am working on a set of 6 towels. My selvedges are absolutely the best I have ever had, and I don’t “fuss” about them at all. It makes my time at the loom more productive and fun!

                                                                                                                    Thanks for the tips! I love your teaching style and have learned so much!!

                                                                                                                    Linda

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