Thoughts on 3.1.3 – The Denting Samples

[Ginette]

Let us know your thoughts on 3.1.3 – The Denting Samples.

[Summerhill Spinner]

This was a FABULOUS episode. So inspirational. It gives me some great ideas for using my handspun yarn that is so labor-intensive to spin, because I can use less of it but get some great effects. Thanks!

[cahoonl382]

love this. I cant wait for the yarns to come, so i will play with what I have. ps. the stripe with sheer weft stripes to the right of the black board. Please show that and explain how that was made. Is there silk to make the shine or is it bamboo?

[Jane]

Aaaaah, that is India 🙂 That was woven in a village north of Calcutta on a 2 shaft pit loom using reeled silk. 5 single filaments plied together. You can barely even see the yarn. If only I could weave like they do.

[heidi]

One of your best episodes and perhaps this is all coming together. Can’t wait to warp up my Rigid Heddle loom since this is all plainweave. Would denting work with a wool/20% nylon sock warp and an alpaca or merino weft? I have lots of variegated sock yarn but that doesn’t really full or felt. Do i need to add in the merino into the warp too?

[heidi]

Question for you all,
Would the denting work better using wool 80%/nylon 20% sock yarn warp and merino or alpaca weft if I added a bit of the 100% wool into the warp too? Or can I just use only the variegated sock for warp?
Thx

[Jane]

Either one will work.

[Jane]

Don’t forget how much I sample to figure all this out. Make your warp a little longer and weave a sample, wash it and it will help you a great deal 🙂

[heidi]

Thanks, excited to try this.

[barbel1234]

I watched Episode 3 today, great ideas alltogether.
When you showed the scarf with the parrot design and said , that half of the scarf could be done with denting, i was hocked.
But how would i weave the other half without denting?
Just take out the shuttle atthe parting point and weave one side til i reach the right spacing?
Just trying to picture it.
Thank you Jane for great lessons!
Kind regards,
Barbel, Ireland

[Ginette]

Hi Barbel,
I think you’ve got it, that’s what I would try. You could run the thread from the denting side up the side of the warp until you need to bring in the shuttle again for the next bit or tuck it in each time. That would be a fun project to try!

[Jane]

Imagine if half of your warp had denting in it and half of it was just normal. You could weave half of the scarf just normal and you would have one portion weaving solid and half of it would have dented stripes in it. Then you could do denting on the 2nd half and you would end up with one section perfectly dented in the warp and the weft but the other section that is solid warp would have dented horizontal stripes.

[Rose]

I’m so excited!! So many possibilities

[WoolMoon]

What a delightful and informative start to Season 3. I love the look of these pieces and can’t wait to get started on one or ten of them!

[rita.msmiller]

question: When placing your denting warps threads on the back beam do you space this out as well to allow for negative space? or do you keep them just as they come as you beam the threads on the back beam?

[Jane]

I never space them out….it all just works 🙂

[Jan Schumacher]

Jane is sooo right about how speedy this denting technique is. Using stash 2/8 cotton, I started a warp for 2 scarves yesterday morning and was weaving by late afternoon on my floor loom. Considering I visited with a neighbour and prepared dinner during that time too, I’d say that’s the fastest ever for me. On the loom it’s a bit slower but I’m having fun and liking what I see. Thanks again, Jane, for another terrific video class.

[loobitzh]

Im on my second scarf. I had already prepared and beamed a lovely warp in blue tones and began weaving. (The warp was long enough for 4 or 5 scarves and I was really excited to get going).. Then ping! ping! over and over the warp threads began to break off!! I had warped with some new yarns I had purchased from Yeoman yarns. You can order a sample pack from them which is very economical but dont always know what each cone has on it. I unfortunately forgot to test the yarns for warp compatability and will Never make that mistake again. They werent strong enough and I lost about 15 warps by the time I had finished the first scarf. The yarn is fine in the weft.

So I ended up ripping the resf of the warp off the loom into a chain which I can use as a rope….. Was a bit peed off but soon had another warp prepared and dressed the loom once again…. A lovely mix of oranges and yellow. Im half way through weaving this one. I used a mix of plain cotton, mercerised cotton and a wool mix. The different textures look great. I also used some cream and a flourescent orange as zingers.

Should be able to get 4 long scarves off this warp.

Have incorporated the Colour and Design theory into the planning and really excited with the results so far.

Yes this denting is quick and very enjoyable.

What a treat to have this guild to guide us.

Thanks Jane.

Linda in Bath UK (not in the bath but in the City)!

[juliamnorman]

Hi Linda, I’ve recently started Jane’s course and am loving it.
I wonder if you’ve managed to work out how the yarns she uses compare with nm ones? I presume you’ve managed to
work it out.
many thanks, Julia

[juliamnorman]

PS I am in Bristol

[mgwerner212]

Wow Jane. Fantastic episode! I can’t wait to try this!

[Sue]

Hi Linda, thanks for the information about Yeoman yarns. I live in Frome, about 12 miles from Bath. I’m still studying the videos and trying to source yarn in UK. Look forward to seeing pics of everyone’s scarves.

[loobitzh]

Hi Sue

Good to see a Brit on the site!

Yeoman Yarns offer a fantastic selection of yarns which are fab for weaving and very good prices. I have purchased a few of their sample sets and overall they are really fab! you get so much more yarn for your buck. They ask you to list any preferences in the text box when ordering ie, on one order I stated I wanted nothing thinner than 2/8 cotton and would prefer a bright pallet but no pinks and was very pleased with their selection.

Their acrylic yarns are also fab, so much improved from the old days. Hard to tell the difference.

If you go on ebay and search for yarn cones then there is also a wide variety of yarns to pick from all at good prices. I often purchase from ‘bubz’ on ebay.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/str/yarn-thread-crafts?_trksid=p2047675.l2563

Hope youa re enjoying this as much as I AM!
Linda x

[loobitzh]

ps. Yoeman yarns are marketed for knitting and crochet so suggest If you purchase a sample set then tick box for machine knitting and state you are to be weaving.

[sengle685]

Wow, great link to https://www.ebay.co.uk/str/yarn-thread-crafts?_trksid=p2047675.l2563
Does anyone know if there is an equivalent place in USA? Thanks

[Rebecca Logan]

Great episode! This got me looking at my lace weight knitting yarn stash with a whole new light, as well as those partial cones of bamboo and Zephyr I’ve been hoarding. I pulled a few combinations out of the stash already and will be making my graphic and winding warps shortly. Thank goodness for that second loom!

[Freya S.]

Hi Jane, Where do I find a sample of the PDF to write the setts in?

Freya – I love am loving this technique, it appears to be very freeing for me. I also like the thought that I can
produce a fabric with drape using it. Most of my weaving is for fabric for garments. “Easy Peasy” as you
like to say. I can also weave from my stash.

[Ginette]

Hi Freya,
right up on the left hand corner of the screen by the JST logo, you’ll see an ‘eye’ and a ‘page’. Click on the page and then you can download both the Denting Sample and the the Sett Chart.

[ccrawford20]

First night on our vacation as being newly retired. Watched the episode, when finished I announced “I can’t wait to get home to try what I just learned!” My husband reminded me we have only been gone 7 hours! Thank you Jane

[stephiepeterson]

As a baby weaver whose loom has not even arrived yet, thanks for the little details you share. And thanks to the more experienced folks here for their tolerance of us novices! Can’t wait for my loom to come so I can go back and watch Seasom 1 again and use it to guide me. I love, love, love your videos. Thank you!

[Liz]

In the first sample, a red one, you said the yarn used was 5/2 UCI mercerized cotton. I don’t see this listed in your yarns inventory at the online store. Are you not carrying UCI cottons any more? What would be a good substitute?

[Sandra]

You are right, Lizzie – Jane doesn’t carry mercerized cotton any more. Jane does carry 7 gauge bamboo which is almost the same weight at 5/2 cotton – but is more slippery than the cotton. She describes and shows the result using the bamboo.

[wbcostume8]

Jane
Can you translate what ‘Grid Size ‘ means on the ‘Your Denting Master Sett Chart.’
I can’t work it out with my UK brain!
Wendy

[wbcostume8]

I’ve got it! The grid is the size of the negative space squares and the weaving squares.
Thanks
Wendy

[Penny]

Really enjoyed this episode and am midway through a scarf using a yarn that is 70% wool, 30% alpaca. I’m getting the hang of leaving gaps, but am finding it difficult to get the right number of weft picks to keep it square. Never mind, I’ll keep practising.

[juliettelanvers]

Hi!
You mentioned Zephyr, I happen to have a cone for gray in the lace weight, what would you sley it at? 30 EPI?
thank you for your help, I am really into this year’s theme : )

Juju

[Jane]

Hi Juliette,
30 EPI is too much for Zephyr because you get so much stabilization in the denting when you full it. I would try 20.
Hope this helps,
Jane

[Karen]

Absolutely loved this episode…I have never woven with negative space and am looking forward to starting! I think the technique will be lovely for the hot climate we live in……giving an airy and lighter look while using yarns I have never woven with….like wool.
Thanks so much.

[Deborah Cannatella]

I would like to do denting using a 10/2 perle cotton. Because mercerized is slippery, should I go for a tighter epi… say, 30 epi instead of 24 or 26? I’d like to leave 1″ negative space.

[Sandra]

I would use the recommended sett as a start and add on a bit longer warp so you can cut and finish a sample. 2/10 is in the same ballpark as the 30/2 silk and 20/2 silk that Jane suggests can be used interchangeably. If you aren’t getting the look and feel you want, it’s quick and easy enough to resley the reed. Let us know your results!

[dianeg537]

Hi Jane,
What a great session on denting. I have jumping around a lot looking at different episodes and finally decided to come back and start at the beginning again. This episode has been very helpful. One question about the denting sample you created at the end of the episode with the parrot colors. Although you calculated you needed 27 orange threads for the first 9 dents, you said it didn’t matter when you threaded the warp. I didn’t understand what you meant. And do you create a separate warp for each color change?
Thanks,
Diane

[dianeg537]

Hi again Jane,
I have another question about denting. I don’t have your sample kit for this episode so I’m trying to work with my own stash of yarns. I wan to do a color gradation with black to charcoal to grey. My black is a 20/2 linen and my other charcoal grey colors are all 10/2 mercerized cotton. If I use a 1/2″ grid what would be the best sett? I could use either 20 or 24. I could use either the linen or the cotton in the weft.
Thanks
Diane

[Jane]

I would use 20 EPI

[dianeg537]

Hi Jane,

I had some leftover 10/2 mercerized cotton in shades of greys/black and warped my loom to do the denting sample using 20 epi.  By mistake I put too many threads in warp and since I was doing this on my Asford table loom I knew I had to somehow get rid of the extra threads.  I took them off of each side and tried to hang them off the back beam.  But eventually I had to cut them off.  I ended up denting the reed  as follows:  in a 10 dent reed I sleyed 2 threads in the first 5 dents then skipped 5 dents. I repeat this thruout.  Although my final piece is too short for anything but a sample I was pleased with the outcome.  I now want to weave some ‘airy, lightweight curtains with denting.  Any suggestions for patterns, fiber, etc.  Again, another wonderful epidsode.  Thanks!

Diane

 

[Ginette]

Hi Diane,

I did a quick search on the forum as I remembered someone weaving curtains, they are not denting but these will inspire you. Karen wove some with a variety of yarns and they are just amazing and hopefully can give you some ideas. Curtains are on my weaving bucket list 🙂

https://janestaffordtextiles.com/forums/topic/inspired-by-jane/

[Maggie]

I’ve only just come back to this online guild since my husband passed away last year. It knocked me for six and I haven’t done any weaving since! I have been doing lovely designs in machine embroidery from an American company who are brilliant but there are only so many wall hangings and quilts you can do! The blanket I was making for my Hearing Dog, Luna, is still on my loom! I really want to do some denting, I’ve never done it before, and Jane, you have whetted my appetite! I will have to search out my stash as I can’t afford new yarns yet so the plan (!) is to finish the blanket and really get weaving again. I have lots of epiodes to catch up on and it is so inspiring.

[Sandra]

A gentle welcome back into the wonderful, world of weaving, Maggie.  A few of us here are walking by your side, understanding what you are going through … looking forward to seeing photos of Luna’s blanket. 🤗

[dianeg537]

Hi Jane. I’ve watched this episode on denting a number of times and each time I get something new out it. I do have a question on the denting master set chart though. When you are showing the various materials for the weft is the warp always staying 16/2 cotton or is the warp the same as the weft eg for mohair zephyr or cashmere?

diane

[Sandra]

Your warp can vary with your various projects.  It’s another opportunity to create your own cloth.  Have fun and keep track of your results in your own Denting Sett Chart.

[dianeg537]

Thanks Sandra.  I have Jane’s denting kit and have already put 9 yards of 16/2 cotton warp on my loom.  I also purchased the 30/2 silk which I can use in the weft.  I was just wondering if she used 16/2 cotton warp on the different denting samples she was showing.

Diane

[Sandra]

Yes, Diane – Jane would have used 16/2 on her “official” denting samples.  She wants to be able to show everyone what they can expect to see on their looms, following the directions on the episode pdf.  However, she did show some amazing items that would have used other fibres as their warp.

[dianeg537]

Hi again Sandra,

Another question about denting.  I just took my first scarf off the loom from Jane’s denting kit, washed it and am now pressing it.  I tucked in the loose ends at the selvedges as I was weaving but did not trim them before I washed the scarf hoping they would disappear in the fell.   I can’t really weave them in now so I’m assuming its ok just to trim them?

Thanks,

Diane

 

[Sandra]

Hi Diane – you secured them as you were weaving so it’s fine to trim them now!  It’s not like knitting 😉

[Trish]

I currently have a 2/8 warp on for Tea Time with Jane but it’s been sitting there and I really would like to at least try some denting with this warp since it needs to be woven off!  So I’m resleying 2per dent 6 dents then 6 empty.      I haven’t seen Jane mention tencel/bambu for this and would like to use that – I have a stash of 2/8 that needs to be used up.  How should I accommodate for that as I don’t think the  rayons  act like silk. I’ll redo this scarf project once the towels are off (don’t have a second loom!) with a 2/16 warp -how should I use the 2/8 tencel/bambu with the 2/16  cotton or cottolin warp?

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[Trish]

I haven’t heard Jane talk about denting with plant-based yarns -I LOVE the way the animal fibres look and full but that’s not what I’m working with right now as my stash is primarily plant-based (cotton/tencel/linen) -I have a very modest budget so need to use up what I have.  The earlier episodes used cottons so I could take part in the weaving -I’ve been looking forward to this episode so please let me know if/how I can do the denting with plant fibres only…or if I should just give up since they won’t grab the yarns like wool does.

[Ginette]

Hi Trish,

I’m not sure if there are any other yarns that gives you the same fulling effect as wool does. The nice thing about some of the fine wool yarns is that you don’t need much to get the effect. You could put on a warp, cotton would be your most economical and then use different weft yarns from your stash and see what might work that you. You could also play with your setts, your PPI like in the cramming & denting or just the denting, it may not full but it’s always fun to see what you can come up with by manipulating the yarns/techniques.

[Anne Brickman]

This is my cram/dented scarf from the denting warp. The dented ones are already being worn by my daughters. Sorry it’s sideways. I couldn’t figure how to turn it.
they especially liked the silk ones.

[Christine King]

Hi Jane and team

I only have a 10 dent reed. Would love to do the scarf with 16/2 cotton and the silk weft. I could do it 15 epi or 17 epi. What would you suggest would be best.

Many thanks, Chris

[Sandra]

Either would work, Christine – just decide if you want your sett a wee bit more open or closed.

[Darquise Decoz]

Bonjour my Canadian friend…Im originally from Quebec/Ontario but live in Arizona now.

Question on this denting project, you are using a 16/2…I have 24/2 cotton, can I use this and what sett?

Im so enjoying this program, its been educational and it will made me a better teacher…when this open up again.

thanks e-mail is darquiset@gmail.com

Darquise

[Sandra]

Hi Darquise, now is the time for you to get out your ruler and do your sett winding practise that Jane demonstrated in the episode – Let’s Have a Chat About Sett.  😉

[Mary Catherine Role]

I’d like to try denting with linen, a novelty yarn and mohair but I’m a bit confused as to where they go in the warp.  It looks like after the dense part of the denting but are they on either side of the empty dents?

[Sandra]

To be honest, Mary – I’ve never done it.  Maybe someone else can jump in or, you could try it as weft first to see if you like the effect, or just replace a few of the linen threads in the open area with the threads you want to test.  The mohair will grab onto the linen and not float, so may not give you the effect you are looking for.  The yarns used in the denting sample are quite fine, so keep that in mind.  Let us know how it works out!

[dianeg537]

Mary I agree with Sandra.  I think the mohair will grab the reed and possibly the other threads.  I just finished making scarves with Jane’s denting kit and  used the 16/2 cotton and the 20/2 silk.  They work quite well together.  I’ve also done some leno (finger) weaving with the same yarns.   

[Mary Catherine Role]

Very nice, Diane.  I’m referring to two of the samples Jane shows in the denting samples at the table that the lady (don’t remember her name) made using mohair and space-dyed yarns from Handmaiden Yarns.One of her samples she had woven ribbon in and stitched down.  She doesn’t show it close enough for me to see.

I am working on a 20/2 cotton sample like yours except in colors of blue, purple, fuchsia, red.  It’s delicate but I think it’s working.

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