Thoughts on 3.1.1 – Introduction to Denting

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    • #156237
      Ginette
      Keymaster

        Let us know your thoughts on 3.1.1 – Introduction to Denting.

      • #156238
        Liz
        Participant

          Yay!! Welcome back!! Looking forward to our new season together. Glad you weathered the storm. Liz S

        • #156239
          carol1855wlr
          Participant

            Can’t wait to get started on this one! Certainly isn’t ‘plain’ weave. I’ love the samples and can’t wait to work with silk for the first time.

          • #156240
            pam
            Participant

              Hi Jane:
              I’m having trouble with the video. Your voice starts and stops and with a couple of seconds in between before it starts up again.
              What can I do about it?
              Thanks,
              Pam

              • #156241
                Ginette
                Keymaster

                  Hi Pam, sorry you’re having problems viewing the lessons. Can you try and use a different browser? If you’re using Chrome, try something like Firefox or vice-versa. Let us know if that clears it up.

              • #156242
                Gale
                Participant

                  Hi Jane,

                  I was given a tip years ago that has been very helpful. Tuck a sheet of white paper under your weaving when hemming with black thread.
                  Gale

                  • #156244
                    fudsy1
                    Participant

                      what a great idea. I will try it today. on my next sample the light gray really screams.

                    • #156245
                      Maureen Janda
                      Participant

                        I have a couple of “spinning cloths” that I also use to help see what I’m spinning or plying which I lay across under the hemstitching. (They’re really just strips torn from an old white sheet and a dark piece of fabric in the rag barrel.) They help tremendously.

                    • #156243
                      fudsy1
                      Participant

                        when weaving the silk samples do I use 16/2 cotton for the hemstitch so it “sticks” and not slide out? finished a small cotton sample tonight 🙂 LOVE this denting

                      • #156246
                        sharikalb
                        Participant

                          Yes I am on Safari and the video stops every 2-3 seconds.

                          • #156247
                            Ginette
                            Keymaster

                              Hi Shari, try using Chrome, switching browsers seems to work for most folks. You could also try a few other things listed below if changing browser doesn’t help. Let us know if you’re able to view the episode.

                              -Make your browser perform a “hard refresh” – https://howtohardrefresh.com/ – and then try viewing the episode you experienced problems with.

                              -If that doesn’t work could you then try “clearing your browser’s cache” – https://kb.iu.edu/d/ahic – then perform a “hard refresh”. Then try to view the episode.

                          • #156248
                            mqx
                            Participant

                              So when we warp the loom , in the raddle I did 12 threads ,space ,12 threads, space in a 1/2 Inch slots correct?

                              • #156249
                                Ginette
                                Keymaster

                                  Hi mqx, yes that correct. 12 threads within 1/2 inch, then 1/2 inch of empty dents and so on.

                              • #156250
                                Barbara
                                Participant

                                  I love this episode! I also love the scarf/shawl that is hanging behind Jane in the reds/oranges/brown stripes. Will we learn how to do that in a future episode? I am curious as to what the warp is. I would think this is also a denting project but what is used for the warp. I so want to make that!

                                  • #156251
                                    Ginette
                                    Keymaster

                                      Hi Barbara, check out the comments under episode 3.1.3 – The Denting Samples where Jane answers a question from that very piece 🙂

                                  • #156252
                                    Anne Morison
                                    Participant

                                      Absolutely love denting.

                                    • #156253
                                      Thea
                                      Participant

                                        Hi Jane: I have started the denting scarf and find that the dents aren’t staying together when
                                        I am winding it onto the front beam, not sure why.

                                        • #156254
                                          Jane
                                          Keymaster

                                            They won’t stay together Thea, they will move even further apart once it is washed, that is why you need a nice tight cell where the weaving is and then it all migrates and looks like lace but if quite stable because of those tight cells.

                                        • #156255
                                          mqx
                                          Participant

                                            I wove it 2x long than I wanted , got in the zone and forgot to stop….. need to figure out how to divide into two any tips?

                                          • #156256
                                            Martha
                                            Participant

                                              Hi Jane, I understand now that the sett must be close to maintain the denting. I lost my vertical dents after wet finishing. When determining proper sett for this technique, how do you determine how much closer the threads should be? Is there some kind of formula to follow? Thanks!

                                              • #156267
                                                Emma Hamilton
                                                Participant

                                                  I’d also like to know the answer to this! Did you ever find out?

                                                  • #156268
                                                    Sandra
                                                    Keymaster

                                                      Hi Emma, have you had a chance to watch “The Denting Samples”, yet? Jane shows us lots of samples and talks about getting the right sett using a variety of different yarns. Hopefully, that will clear up your question. If not, let us know.

                                                • #156257
                                                  debzx1
                                                  Participant

                                                    Hi Jane,
                                                    You mentioned that it would be fine to use any yarn for the denting technique. I would like to use up some of my 8/2 cotton which i bought for Season 1…but my little mind is going nuts trying to convert the sleying…advice please?
                                                    Debbie

                                                    • #156258
                                                      Sandra
                                                      Keymaster

                                                        Hi Debbie, have you gone back and reviewed “The Denting Samples”? Jane talks about using the Parrot colours from last year at the end of this video – those were 8/2 cotton. Have fun!

                                                    • #156259
                                                      dianeg537
                                                      Participant

                                                        I have just finished watching Episode 1 – Denting. I’m looking forward to doing a sample with some 20/2 linen that I have but I’m not sure how to warp the loom. If I’m using a raddle should I space the threads as I would for the straight draw threading and then warp the same way. I’m using the PDF draft from Episode 1. Thanks, Diane

                                                        • #156260
                                                          Sandra
                                                          Keymaster

                                                            Just use your raddle your normal way, Diane. The magic starts happening in your reed, not before. Have fun!

                                                        • #156261
                                                          Bonnie
                                                          Participant

                                                            The kit says that you use 30/2 silk. However in the video you say it’s 20/2 silk.
                                                            I ordered the 30/2 silk along with the kit.
                                                            Will it make any difference?

                                                            • #156262
                                                              Ginette
                                                              Keymaster

                                                                Hi Bonnie,
                                                                In the video 3.1.3 at the 12:00 mark , Jane shows the second scarf she wove from the same warp (but we didn’t see her weave it on the 3.1.1 video) but was the Finale Piece, it is woven with 30/2 silk. It’ll be perfect 🙂

                                                            • #156263
                                                              Melodie Mazurek
                                                              Participant

                                                                The website lets me log in but does not allow me to access the lessons. Can you help me please?

                                                                • #156264
                                                                  Ginette
                                                                  Keymaster

                                                                    Hi Melodie, Sorry you’re having issues watching the episodes. Can you try using a different browser? If you are using Chrome, try to log in using Firefox or vice versa. Let us know if that helps.

                                                                • #156265
                                                                  rachel
                                                                  Participant

                                                                    Is there a reason that Jane is putting so many ends into each hem stitch? Wouldn’t having fewer ends per “bundle” secure it more? Or is this one of those personal preference things?

                                                                    • #156266
                                                                      Sandra
                                                                      Keymaster

                                                                        Rachel, I think when Jane is hemstiching, she is thinking in terms of how many ends will be happy as a pair wound in a fringe. However, you are right – it is a personal preference and depends on the weight of the yarn in your warp 🙂 Try it using another opportunity to sample and see which is the result that you like.

                                                                    • #156269
                                                                      Allyson Marbut
                                                                      Participant

                                                                        Still a little unsure on sett configuration … my question is if I do the warp in 8/2 thread rather than 16/2 I would sley the 12 dent reed the same? The weave would just be a little tighter? Or should I change the number of threads per dent? Thanks in advance.

                                                                        • #156270
                                                                          Ginette
                                                                          Keymaster

                                                                            Hi Allyson, you would need to change your sett to accommodate the 8/2 cotton. 16/2 is sett at 24 while I would go with 18 for the 8/2 cotton. You’ll also need to do the math for your warp and reduce your thread count if you want it to be the same width as the sample draft and change the threads per dent as well for the reed.

                                                                        • #158114
                                                                          Keri Campbell
                                                                          Participant

                                                                            has anyone tried this with alpaca/silk yarn?

                                                                          • #158237
                                                                            juliamnorman
                                                                            Participant

                                                                              Ive done this with white slubby wool warp and weft,which worked very well. Then I did the same using silk for warp and weft which was less successful. Now I am going to try out 2/33 cottolin for warp and weft, hopefully this will work much the same as cotton.

                                                                              Any suggestions would be very welcome.

                                                                               

                                                                              Many thanks,

                                                                              Julia

                                                                            • #158246
                                                                              Sandra
                                                                              Keymaster

                                                                                Hi Julia – 33/2 cottolin is not a yarn that is easily available to us in Canada.  It does seem like a lovely weight to use for your fine weaving.  You would have to double check your sett by doing a ruler wrap – allowing space for the weft you plan to use.  You can search in the index using the word “ruler” to watch the video, if you haven’t seen it yet.  Let us know how that weight of cottolin weaves up!

                                                                              • #158772
                                                                                lsegolf
                                                                                Participant

                                                                                  I just started working on this project and things are going along OK….but just OK.  I am weaving in the same color sequence as the warp and am tucking the tail when I start and finish a color but am carrying the yarn up the side between the two same-color stripes.  I’m OK with tucking the tail but I’m really having difficulty carrying the yarn along as I cannot see exactly what Jane is doing in the video as her hand blocks the view of the camera.  If I carry the yarn up to the place where I draw the yarn taught across the warp and then tap it into place, I get a loop along the selvedge which, I’m sure, isn’t correct.  If I pinch the yarn where it intersects with the warp, it creates a curve.  I’m not sure if this is explained clearly or not, but not being able to see exactly what’s happening on the video has made this much harder than I expect it should be.  Any help would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks.

                                                                                  • #158774
                                                                                    Sandra
                                                                                    Keymaster

                                                                                      I’m just wondering if you are pulling your weft too tight before you beat it.  It would create a curve or extra draw-in if your weft doesn’t have enough room stay nicely in place when you gently beat it.  Jane also holds the next pick to stabilize it the same way and then weaves away.  She also reminds us that it will take practice to get this technique working in a way that makes us happy!  Let us know if this doesn’t help.

                                                                                  • #158885
                                                                                    lsegolf
                                                                                    Participant

                                                                                      Thanks, Sandra.  I leave the weft quite loose before beating as I don’t want to get a lot of draw-in.  After reading your response and thinking about this further, I think your comment about more practice is exactly what I need.  I’ll also rewatch some sections of the video just to be sure I’m doing this correctly.  I really want to “like” denting but I’m not there yet.

                                                                                    • #164759
                                                                                      linda pelech
                                                                                      Participant

                                                                                        I am curious as to what happens to the header when you take it off the loom. Does that get cut off? I still very new. and how important is a header? would you do a header on a tea towel.

                                                                                        • #164803
                                                                                          Sandra
                                                                                          Keymaster

                                                                                            The header needs to be there to space your warp before you start weaving.  It gets removed, when you take your project off the loom.  With tea towels, I start weaving after leaving a wee space between the header the start of my first towel.

                                                                                        • #173613
                                                                                          Martha
                                                                                          Participant

                                                                                            I’m enjoying revisiting this session.  I wasn’t so pleased with my first attempt and am ready to give it another try!  Thank you.

                                                                                          • #177594
                                                                                            dianeg537
                                                                                            Participant

                                                                                              I’m finishing my second scarf on the denting project using Jane’s denting kit.  I cut the first scarf off the loom as a sample.  I’ve left enough warp thread at the beginning for fringe but I need to leave enough warp between the 2nd and 3rd scarves for fringe as well.  I hemstitched the end of the second scarf and left about 7 inches of warp before weaving a spacer to start the third scarf.  Can I just start the third scarf allowing enough warp at the beginning for the fringe?

                                                                                              Diane

                                                                                              • #177696
                                                                                                Sandra
                                                                                                Keymaster

                                                                                                  Yes, you’ve got it, Diane!  Happy weaving.

                                                                                              • #211243
                                                                                                GAIL HALKIAS
                                                                                                Participant

                                                                                                  I’m sure this is a really stupid question but I’m going to ask it anyway.  Jane talked in the intro about this Megado loom being overkill for the project since it’s plainweave.  This got me thinking about something.  With a four shaft loom, you usually thread it 1-2-3-4 to balance the ends over all four shafts.  But then you hook up one treadle to shafts 1 and 3 and another treadle to shafts 2 and 4.  Right?  So you haven’t really reduced your lifting load over a situation where you just thread 1-2 repeatedly.  So what’s the advantage of spreading the warp over 4 shafts?  Or 8 if you have an 8-shaft loom?

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                                                                                                  • #211256
                                                                                                    Sandra
                                                                                                    Keymaster

                                                                                                      If all you want to weave is Plain Weave, you can do it on 2 shafts and on any kind of loom you can think of since looms were invented many thousands of years ago.  If you want to get more creative with your design with an option to change your tie-up to create something different – then it makes sense to spread it out.  The Louet Megado loom is run by a compu dobby and comes in a 16 shaft model or a 32 shaft model.  Jane’s point always is that there is so much you can weave on a 4 harness loom, learn the basics and you will never run out of ideas for your own unique cloth.

                                                                                                  • #211257
                                                                                                    GAIL HALKIAS
                                                                                                    Participant

                                                                                                      Thank you again, Sandra.  That makes perfect sense.   I’ve asked two questions this evening and you’ve responded right away.  That’s worth so very, very much.    It’s a gift to have such a valuable resource available.

                                                                                                    • #212472
                                                                                                      Holly Motzko
                                                                                                      Participant

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                                                                                                        Is this right? I’m using 8/2 cotton warp zephyr weft set at 18epi. Should I open it up more to be more obvious or is the zephyr to thin? Maybe it’s my beat too soft? I don’t have alot of zephyer to continue sampling for my scarf. Shoot I can’t delete this… Lol. Well I guess what happened was I’m having a little duh moment these were towels and I watched Janes video and cut them off in groups without realizing my denting was 1212. I just cut them off and now my threading is no longer one two three four. Time to rethread haha.

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                                                                                                        • #212479
                                                                                                          Sandra
                                                                                                          Keymaster

                                                                                                            Hi Holly, the weight of the yarns you have used are very different from the weight that Jane used in her samples.  To give you an idea – 8/2 cotton gives you 3,360 yards per pound and Zephyr is about 5,040 yards per pound.  Jane wove her sample and scarf with 16/2 cotton at 6,720 yards per pound for warp and 16/2 cotton as well as 30/2 silk at 7500 yards per pound.  You are going to get a totally different look with your yarn much thicker than the yarn used in the sample. The number of yards that a yarn gives to a pound tells us that the 8/2 cotton is twice the thickness as 16/2 as do the first number in each yarn 16 is half the size of 8 in the yarn world.

                                                                                                            Do you have any 16/2 cotton in your stash?  I think you would get something closer to what Jane wove – if that’s what you are aiming for.  The Zephyr would be fine with 16/2 as well but Zephyr is 50/50 wool and silk.  The wool portion loves to full in water and will grab onto the yarn near it and not move around gracefully as it does with linen or cotton.

                                                                                                            What is the look that you were aiming for?

                                                                                                        • #213178
                                                                                                          Michelle Herrington
                                                                                                          Participant

                                                                                                            Hey JST,

                                                                                                            Well you have done it again! Pushed my brain to max capacity!  I absolutely loved the denting episode.  Having said that, I would like to try one of the patterns, but wider.  I would like to make a bathing suit wrap for my amazing sister to wear on her vacation while walking the beautiful beaches in Mexico with her hubby.  This project will use my whole 36″ weaving width.  So if I have 24 EPI in 36″ that is 864 total ends.  However, in this case it is only half if I am denting, right?  So I would use 432 total ends? Also, if I plan to sectional warp, would I warp a one inch section on the beam and then skip one or just warp the inner 18 sections of the beam?  I hope that makes sense.

                                                                                                            • #213204
                                                                                                              Sandra
                                                                                                              Keymaster

                                                                                                                Michelle, if you do your calculations using the sleying of the reed in mind that Jane shows on the bottom of page 1, you will see that each segment of 12 dents (whether with 2 ends or empty) is 12 ends – therefore each colour in your warping sequence is 24 dents or 2 inches.  It should be easy for you to add extra groups of 24 ends (24 dents/2 inches) to your warping plan to make the wrap as wide as you want.  As far as warping with a sectional – hopefully another member will pop in with an answer to that!

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