Thoughts on 2.6.2 – Plaid at the Loom

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    • #156509
      Ginette
      Keymaster

        Let us know your thoughts on 2.6.2 – Plaid at the Loom.

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      • #156510
        Trudy Exton
        Participant

          Just finished watching this last episode and WOW. Jane you are such an inspirational teacher thanks for another great episode.

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        • #156511
          Suzanne Labreche
          Participant

            Very timely lesson – looking forward to weaving table napkins based on this lesson – thanks Jane

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          • #156512
            Betty.allen
            Participant

              When you weave the two picks of gold why don’t you have to tuck the tail on the second pick?

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              • #156513
                Ginette
                Keymaster

                  Hi Betty, because the threads are doubled up in the second pick (the tail from the first pick & the thread from the second pick) it will be secure and you don’t have to tuck the tail from the second pick. After the wash, you just cut the second thread close to the selvedge and everything will stay in place. It’s a great technique so that you don’t have the double thread look at the selvedges when you’re only needing 2 picks of one colour.

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                  • #156518
                    heidi
                    Participant

                      Brilliant advice, thanks

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                    • #156525
                      Melissa
                      Participant

                        So this works with two picks but not something with more picks, say 4, because the tucked tail and untucked end are right next to each other offering more security to that untucked tail because of the “bulk” right there?

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                        • #156526
                          Ginette
                          Keymaster

                            Hi Melissa, for sure, the 2 picks ends are on top of each other so it secures them and reduces the bulkiness a bit. Otherwise you’d end up with 2 tucked tails with 2 picks all on the same selvedge side. I can’t see it work with 4 or more but now you’ve got me thinking about it! 😉

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                    • #156514
                      Betty.allen
                      Participant

                        I did not know that. I’m learning lots of things I wouldn’t know if I weren’t taking this online class. And it seems like it’s the little things I’m learning that make such a difference. It is so wonderful for me.

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                      • #156515
                        heidi
                        Participant

                          Love this video, thanks Jane. But a question, why do you weave a perfect square on the loom when the warp usually shrinks more than the weft? After wet finishing and drying won’t the square turn into a rectangle?

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                          • #156516
                            Ginette
                            Keymaster

                              Hi Heidi, Jane demonstrates in this lesson measuring under tension and without tension. It also depends on how much tension you have on your warp. If you use a lot, then a pick or two extra would help. The best way would be for you to give it a try both ways and see if you need extra picks according to your weaving. I found for my weaving that I don’t need to add extra picks and do measure under tension. After the washing and the shrinkage it all balances out into a square.

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                              • #156517
                                heidi
                                Participant

                                  Thanks so much, I’ll have to experiment too.
                                  Cheers

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                            • #156519
                              bobbietweddle
                              Participant

                                How did Jane hemstitch the beginning of the sample without weaving a few picks first? Did I miss this in one of the episodes?

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                                • #156520
                                  Ginette
                                  Keymaster

                                    Hi Bobbie, the hemstitching was done prior to the filming and Jane dove right into the weaving for this lesson. FYI, the hemstitching is the simple hemstitch technique that Jane uses all the time.

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                                • #156521
                                  Doreen
                                  Participant

                                    Thank you for the closed captions! Must say yours are technically better than the CBC-TV. I am loving these lessons

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                                    • #156522
                                      Ginette
                                      Keymaster

                                        Hi Doreen, I’ll pass on your message to Jane. It’s so nice to hear that it’s helping the guild members! Enjoy your weekend 🙂

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                                    • #156523
                                      Susan Jaken
                                      Participant

                                        What treadling sequence is used when changing weft color in the striping sequence? For example, let’s say the last pick of olive is in “Shed B/Treadle 2/right foot/thrown from right”. After tuking, the first pick of gold then starts on the right. If I alternate sheds, it would mean using “Shed A/Treadle 1/left foot/thrown from right”. It would be much simpler not to alternate sheds and use “Shed B/Treadle 2/Right foot/ thrown from right”. Which way does Jane do it?
                                        Thanks.
                                        Sue

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                                        • #156524
                                          Sandra
                                          Keymaster

                                            Hi Sue, when Jane is moving from the olive to the gold in the Plaid sample, she is starting her gold on the opposite side to where she tucked in her olive. It’s important to not build up layers of double weft (made by ending a colour, tucking it in and trimming it). The gold is an unusual situation because she is only using 2 picks of the gold and Jane shows us the specifics of securing the ends of that particular situation. Don’t get too focused on which foot is operating which shed in Plain Weave. You will only have two sheds and it depends on how you tie it up as to which foot operates which shed. Concentrate on changing the shed between each pick of weft and tucking in your weft in a colour sequence on the opposite side of your last tuck in, to prevent build-up. Have I answered your question or made you more confused???

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                                        • #156527
                                          Janet
                                          Participant

                                            I’m curious about measuring the square – I was taught to measure with the tension off, but Jane doesn’t seem to do that – do you think it matters?

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                                            • #156529
                                              Sandra
                                              Keymaster

                                                When the tension is off, it is released both ways so either way works, it’s just easier to leave your tension on, measure and add or remove picks until you are square. Then just keep weaving without playing with your tension. What ever way works for you, however, is your best way 😉

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                                            • #156530
                                              Sheryl Smith
                                              Participant

                                                I noticed that Jane has a hemstitch row before she starts the olive. How does she weave this hem stitch line in when there aren’t any rows to anchor to? I

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                                                • #156531
                                                  Sandra
                                                  Keymaster

                                                    The way you add a hemstitch to a new segment of weaving is to weave two picks and then hemstitch those picks. You can do them in any colour you want if you want your hemstitch to be a focal point. I think you are seeing a hemstitch like that one, it appears to be floating unsupported in the warp, but it really is made on two picks of weaving.

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                                                • #156532
                                                  Ginny
                                                  Participant

                                                    Could you clarify how to continue this sample into a longer piece? Would you pivot at the olive using this sequence: olive, stripe, red, stripe, red, stripe, olive, STRIPE, RED, STRIPE, RED, STRIPE, OLIVE,STRIPE?

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                                                    • #156533
                                                      Ginette
                                                      Keymaster

                                                        Hi Ginny, do you meant wider in the reed? If so, you could do so much with this sample. I like your idea of adding extra stripes, that would be so interesting 🙂 Make sure you post your results on the Forum, I’m sure everyone would love to see it

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                                                    • #158726
                                                      Judith
                                                      Participant

                                                        Just curious.  My PDF of the draft does not show the stripe sequence.  I wrote it down from her video.  But it looks like her printed draft had the stripe sequence on it.  Did I miss something? Thanks!

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                                                      • #158732
                                                        Ginette
                                                        Keymaster

                                                          Hi Judith, the striping sequence is on page 2 of the PDF. How many pages were you able to download for this sample?

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                                                        • #163413
                                                          linda pelech
                                                          Participant

                                                            I am unsure how to start the weaving? do you do a few warps then leave a big space then start weaving? I am not seeing in the videos how to start a project. Is there a hem stich in place  first or is the hemstitching at the end of a project?

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                                                          • #163424
                                                            Sandra
                                                            Keymaster

                                                              Hi Linda, have you spent the time going through Season 1 and learning all Jane’s wonderful techniques and tricks to get a good cloth happening on your loom?  Is the Plaid sample the first one you are planning to weave?  For the samples in Season 2, I would hemstitch as Jane demonstrates, at the start of each sample and again at the end.  Also, have you checked out the Beta Index on the JST site?  You can type the word hemstitching in and find a number of places in the lessons where Jane talks about it.

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                                                            • #169886
                                                              Rob
                                                              Participant

                                                                Hello,

                                                                What is the difference between checks and plaids?

                                                                Rob

                                                                 

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                                                              • #174343
                                                                Katherine Lee
                                                                Participant

                                                                  plaid at the loom

                                                                  I’ve been working on learning color theory this season. With the plaid sample, I analyzed Jane’s color scheme (red, olive, gold, fuschia, etc) based on primary and secondary color schemes and blends; I changed red to yellow, olive to plum, and used red and greens for the small plaid stripes.

                                                                  I welcome thoughts and comments. Keep on weaving!

                                                                  Kathy

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                                                                  • #174347
                                                                    Sandra
                                                                    Keymaster

                                                                      Do your colours sing to you, Katherine?  That is the most important thing 🙂  Colour choices are soooo personal.  BTW – I love the yellow and plum together.

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                                                                    Katherine Lee
                                                                    Participant

                                                                      Thank you, Sandra! Purple colors are my favorite, whether they are alone or used with others. Although I tend to avoid yellows as a rule, this combination does have me singing and smiling when I see it.

                                                                      I am enjoying the freedom that Jane’s lesson provide for experimenting and trying new things without the product being judged. I am finding what makes me sing and what I dislike, which is helping me find my own weaving personality. I am so grateful . . . .

                                                                      Kathy

                                                                       

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                                                                      jackdogcompton
                                                                      Participant

                                                                        Help!  I modified the pattern and colors for the plaid lesson to appease a friend who wanted a more subtle color way and narrow placemats instead of towels.  I dressed the loom and thoughPXL_20210118_134411295.MPPXL_20210118_134422797PXL_20210118_134451134t everything was going just fine until I realized I had somehow left out 8 ends of purpose on one side of the warp.  So, I added eight threads through the reed and heddles and weighted them down in the back.  But I cannot get my tension right on the loom.  I’ve tried more and fewer weights to the threads, and have pulled on and retied the threads at the front of the loom, but the fell line just won’t settle down for me.  I’m attaching photos, hoping you can provide me with some advice!  Thanks for your help!

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                                                                        • #192783
                                                                          Sandra
                                                                          Keymaster

                                                                            You do need more weight on those warp threads.  Why don’t you try Jane’s method of putting a rod holding those 8 threads at the back of the loom with weights on either end of the rod.  The tension would be even on them all and they should be easier to adjust the tension.  Also, do you have those 8 threads dented at the same sett as the rest of the warp?  Just wondering 😉  Other ideas, anyone???

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                                                                        • #192832
                                                                          jackdogcompton
                                                                          Participant

                                                                            Thanks so much Sandra!  Yes, the denting is the same.  Sounds like it is just going to take an extraordinary amount of extra weight.  I like the rod idea.  Was this covered in a lesson or in the knowledge base somewhere?  I’m trying to figure out whether the rod just hangs loose and whether the extra threads should be beamed in the same manner as the back beam.

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                                                                            • #192860
                                                                              Sandra
                                                                              Keymaster

                                                                                Go into Season 3: Episode 8 at the 1 hour 15 minute mark and you can watch Jane adding the rod for the supplementary warp.  I know this is a situation where all the warp is wound onto the back beam, but you can do the same thing with extra warp you have on the side of your warp as long as you secure them with a removable knot that you can release and move your warp down as it approaches the beam.  My thoughts on using the bar is that your extra warp section can have the same tension on all the threads.

                                                                                The other thing that I noticed is that your tension wasn’t even when you tied it on and did your hemstitching.  Have you thought of just removing 8 threads from the other side and weaving a slightly narrower project?

                                                                                Keep me posted!

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                                                                              jackdogcompton
                                                                              Participant

                                                                                Sandra, you are a life line!  Thank you so much.  I really want to make it work with the full number of threads, but if I cannot get the proper tension on the supplementary rod, I will do as you suggest and just drop 8 threads from the other side.  I have always wanted to know what folks meant when they talked about supplementary warping, so this is my chance to learn!  I will definitely keep you posted on how this evolves 🙂

                                                                                You asked about whether the tension was off from the very beginning.  Actually, it was perfectly even when I did my hemstitching and it looked great until I started to weave.  What you are seeing in the picture is the result of me pulling and tugging at the threads, and pulling down to tighten them again on the apron rod after I had added more weights.  I was trying to straighten out the fell line, but of course it didn’t work!  Back to you soon, hopefully with good news!

                                                                                all the best, Carol

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                                                                              • #193191
                                                                                jackdogcompton
                                                                                Participant

                                                                                  Hi Sandra,

                                                                                  Me again!  I’m about to attempt a modified supplementary warp, but wanted to circle back with you to make sure I understand your suggestion.  Are you thinking I would tie on my extra 8 threads to the back beam with a removeable knot?  Or to the supplementary rod?  I have a dowel that will work for this purpose, and the S weights, so I’m in good shape.  But I’m trying to understand how I should attach my extra threads to the rod and/or the back beam – wish I could make it hang down beneath the back beam the way Jane does in the video!

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                                                                                  • #193209
                                                                                    Sandra
                                                                                    Keymaster

                                                                                      What I would do is make a slip knot with a loop that you could put your rod into or an S hook that could hold weights on it.  Hang it down the back of the loom as far as you can without it resting on the floor.  That way you won’t have to deal with it as often.  You are going to need weights that you can add or take away until your tension feels even across your warp.  I probably would wind my warp on a bit until I had a solid section that felt evenly tensioned and start over.  Hope this works.

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