Thoughts on 2.4 – Dressing Your Loom Back to Front – Threading the Heddles

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    • #157608
      Ginette
      Keymaster

        Let us know your thoughts on 2.4 – Dressing Your Loom Back to Front – Threading the Heddles.

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      • #157609
        margreth
        Participant

          I am new to this guild- just looking at the workshops. In 2.4 I saw you dressing a loom where there are 5 threads you were warping with together. Is this the highest number of threads you would warp with or could I also do it with 8 threads for example? Don‘t know if I expressed myself in an understandable way ….
          Margreth from Austria

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          • #157610
            Sandra
            Keymaster

              Welcome to the Guild, Margreth! There is so much information available to you as a new member! Have you had a chance to watch Season 1? In Episode 1 Jane starts right at the basics – winding a warp. In the third video of that episode she takes us through winding with multiple ends, and explains keeping each thread under control as you wind your warp. The quick answer is it would be very hard to keep that many threads under control and you probably would be unhappy with your warp.

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              • #157611
                margreth
                Participant

                  Ok, thank you, Sandra, for the quick reply!
                  Margreth

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                • #157614
                  momsampson
                  Participant

                    Sandra–I also have Gilmore looms. How/where did you tie on the lease sticks? Juli

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                    • #157615
                      Sandra
                      Keymaster

                        Hi Juli – I’ve never woven on a Gilmore, but I just looked them up on the web. It looks like you have a good castle that you could wrap 2 long strings on, thread your lease sticks through and tie them onto your back beam. That’s what I do for my David – I don’t keep my lease sticks as low in the back as Jane does. As she says – make it work for you, not necessarily exactly the way she does it 😉

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                • #157612
                  sengle685
                  Participant

                    If you can’t remove the front beam so you can get in closer to the heddles, how would you do this method then? I can remove the reed but not the front beam on my Gilmore loom. Any suggestions would be appreciated.
                    Thanks,
                    Susan

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                    • #157613
                      Jane
                      Keymaster

                        That is the best you can do…just lean on your beater with the reed out.

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                    • #157616
                      Catherine
                      Participant

                        New to B2F and puzzled…
                        When and how are the loops at the end of the warp cut open before threading the heddles?
                        Did I miss it? I can’t find anything…

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                        • #157617
                          Sandra
                          Keymaster

                            It looks like Jane cuts her loops before she takes them out of the raddle. However, I cut mine after I’ve brought them out of the raddle and have them draped over my lease sticks ready to thread the heddles. It doesn’t matter when you cut them as long you are ready to start threading. No rules 😉

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                            • #157618
                              Catherine
                              Participant

                                Thanks – I did the second.
                                I usually don’t like rules much… but as a beginner rules makes me feel safe 🙂

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                          • #157619
                            fayeclair
                            Participant

                              Hi,
                              2 Questions:

                              1. Do you always thread the heddles 1st heddle on shaft 1, 1st heddle on shaft 2, 1st heddle on shafter 3, first heddle on shaft 4 and then repeat? Or does it depend on the pattern you are making?

                              2. Is there any different considerations you need to make for wire heddles?

                              Thank You,

                              Faye from Australia

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                              • #157620
                                Sandra
                                Keymaster

                                  It depends on the structure you are weaving. Plainweave – which is the structure we work with in Season 2 and again in Season 3, you thread the way you describe. When we move on to a different structure, Jane will make it clear how to thread other structures.

                                  Thread your metal heddles the same way Jane shows threading her Texsolv heddles. Metal heddles have been used by weavers for a long, long time.

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                              • #157621
                                madrod1
                                Participant

                                  What do you do if after you have threaded you notice you have extra colors on one section? Does everything need to come out?

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                                  • #157622
                                    Sandra
                                    Keymaster

                                      I’m assuming that you got carried away winding your warp . Easy to do, especially if you have music with a good beat in the background! Not to worry, just pull out your extra threads and let them hang down the back – everything will straighten out going through your reed.

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                                  • #157623
                                    yezemin
                                    Participant

                                      Hi Jane!
                                      What do you do with leftover heddles, when you have a warp that uses the entire width of your loom? I have a Louet Hollandia and as I’ve read that weavers take leftover heddles out I didn’t see an easy way to do that with an Louet loom (or am I wrong?).
                                      So far I bind them together in a tight bundle, but I’m always hoping not to get a too big bundle that shaves on the threaded heddles. I also put empty heddles in between my threaded heddles, so I don’t have to much heddles left on one side, but I assume checking the threading would be easier without it.

                                      And in the video it looks like you leave ALL the heddles of not used shafts on the sides. Isn’t that bundling up too much, if you have a warp that uses the entire weaving width?

                                      I instead started to use all shafts, even if I didn’t need them, as I had the feeling my loom works smoother that way. If I leave some shafts unused they seemed to get stuck a lot and I had to fiddle around. After starting to use all of my shafts, that next to never happens. But perhaps that was just a happy accident.

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                                      • #157624
                                        Sandra
                                        Keymaster

                                          Yezemin, it sounds like you have found a perfect workaround solution for you and your loom! I’ve done all of the things you mentioned, depending on my warp!

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                                          • #157625
                                            yezemin
                                            Participant

                                              Thank you Sandra! In such cases you always hope you overlooked something. 🙂

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                                        • #157626
                                          Gwyn Weatherford
                                          Participant

                                            Jane, this is amazing. I love to weave but hate to dress the loom. I always lose thread because it becomes tangled. I have had 5 college weaving courses and never was I taught to warp back to front. THIS IS AWESOME!!! I can’t wait to dress my loom for the next project. And the very idea that I had to beg friends to help turn the warp on to the loom. Now, if they do help their backs won’t be broken trying to help. I JUST NEED BOOKS and I have several hundred books….no shortage there. Thank you so much for sharing. Gwyn

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                                          • #157627
                                            Gwyn Weatherford
                                            Participant

                                              Jane, I notice that all your looms have thread heddles…no wire. Is there are reason you prefer thread?

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                                              • #157628
                                                Sandra
                                                Keymaster

                                                  Hi Gwyn. Most of the looms in Jane’s studio are Louet looms. All of Louet looms are designed to use Texsolv heddles, which are made of crocheted polyester. However, that being said – the loom she has woven her signature mohair blankets on for years is a Leclerc loom which has metal heddles. She also uses a Schacht Baby Wolf in the studio which also has metal heddles as well. Season 1: Episode 8 is “A Few Things about Looms” where you can watch her go through the looms in her Studio and explain the different styles of each loom.

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                                              • #157629
                                                Sue Keilman
                                                Participant

                                                  I am new to the guild, new to my Louet David and new to warping back to front. I am just threading the heddles. In Jane’s video it looks like she is sitting closer than I am even though I have flipped the beater up and taken off the breast beam. I wonder if she has a chair that the legs fit between the treadles as even though I am sitting on the edge of my chair I am having to bend to work. I am learning so much from the online guild. Thanks. Sue

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                                                  • #157630
                                                    Ginette
                                                    Keymaster

                                                      Hi Sue,
                                                      If you have a chair or bench that is a tad lower than what you are using where you’re not bending over, that will really help. I actually have an older chair that the front legs actually fit between the David treadles that I use when threading. The important thing is to be comfortable and low enough so your back won’t hurt.

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                                                      • #157631
                                                        Sue Keilman
                                                        Participant

                                                          Thank you. I am going to try a different chair today.

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                                                    • #157632
                                                      pcjm22
                                                      Participant

                                                        When I make a warp using more that one thread at a time, and then chose one or another to put through the heddle, will I get a mess when I wind on? Why not!!

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                                                        • #157634
                                                          Ginette
                                                          Keymaster

                                                            Hi pcjm22

                                                            You’ll be fine. In this same episode, Jane is threading the Colour & Weave gamp – Season 1 Episode 2.4, 14:45 which has multiple threads that were wound together for the warp. It won’t make a mess when you wind on as long as you keep your threads together in the raddle that were wound together. Give it a try 🙂

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                                                        • #157633
                                                          pcjm22
                                                          Participant

                                                            Also, where do I put the raddle on a schacht baby wolf with no tray above the harnesses? And can I use my raddle with one-inch divisions? I usually warp front to back, so have many questions!

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                                                            • #157635
                                                              Ginette
                                                              Keymaster

                                                                If you’ve got a set of clamps, you could try and clamp the raddle with the harnesses. Place the raddle just in front of the top of the harnesses wood part and make sure you include all the harnesses when clamping.

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                                                            • #157636
                                                              Susan McDowell
                                                              Participant

                                                                Thank you so much for the Guild! I’m a fairly new weaver and really appreciate learning the b2f way of warping (like so many others, taught f2b first). I’m planning on doing that with my next project on my LeClerc. On my Baby Wolf, I find it easier to go front-to-back since I can take off the back beam to thread the heddles, but I can’t take off the front beam/beater without dissembling the whole loom. Really appreciate your calm demeanor, Jane about “do what you have to do”..it’s about keeping the joy in weaving, right? Thanks again.

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                                                              • #157637
                                                                Cinda Boswell
                                                                Participant

                                                                  I am not sure I can explain this well. I am wondering about the lease sticks and the threads which make the shed. I notice that there are 3 or so threads on top and the same number on the lower part of the lease sticks. I always thought that there could only be 1 thread up and then the next thread down which will then keep them in order to make the shed ultimately. I must be wrong and not understanding this. And maybe this doesn’t have anything to do with the shed. Perhaps that is the threading that makes the shed. Thanks, Cinda

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                                                                  • #157638
                                                                    Ginette
                                                                    Keymaster

                                                                      Hi Cinda, you can have as many threads as you were holding onto with your hand when you made your warp, so if you were holding 2, you’ll have 2 at the top of the lease stick and 2 on the lower lease stick. The threads in these pairs are close enough to each other to not interfere with the shed later on when you’re weaving. I like to make the warp holding 3 or 4 in my hand if possible, depending on colours & how many cones I have on hand. Still with that many, I end up with a good shed. You’ll have to give it a try with 2, it’ll speed up the warping process 🙂

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                                                                  • #157639
                                                                    Brenda Reimer
                                                                    Participant

                                                                      I had trouble with my Asymmetry warp example. Long story short while cranking onto the back beam, I broke one warp thread close to the end, near the front of my warp. Can you tell me apx where on the videos and how much time into it, would I find Jane’s instruction for replacing the warping thread that breaks before the warp is even tied onto the front beam?

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                                                                      • #157640
                                                                        Brenda Reimer
                                                                        Participant

                                                                          Never mind I found the solution. Jane fixes the broken thread at episode 3.3 video at apx 24 minutes in and again at apx 41 minutes if anyone else needs the refresher. Really learning a lot with these classes thanks!

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                                                                      • #157641
                                                                        Emma Hamilton
                                                                        Participant

                                                                          I have a countermarche loom where there are cords tied through holes in the bottom heddle bars at the middle, joining them to the lams (or is it lamms?) and so my heddles can’t slide across the whole width freely. How can I think of this step-by-step for dummies so I don’t end up with either too few heddles on the right, or too many bunching up in the middle? Do I just need to count the exact amount of each and a few extra in case?

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                                                                            Jane
                                                                            Keymaster

                                                                              With that type of loom I think you have to count them…..however I don’t have one of those. If anyone else out there has any ideas, please chime in.

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                                                                              • #157643
                                                                                Olga Vos
                                                                                Participant

                                                                                  I do have a countermarch, and I count. Must be the name. On my big Finnish Varpapuu, adding heddles or taking them off is quite easy though.

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                                                                            • #159809
                                                                              Stephanie Thomas
                                                                              Participant

                                                                                Well, I did a silly thing. I didn’t review enough and I took out my lease sticks, therefore lost my cross before threading the heddles. How much extra work have I created for myself? I do still have the threads in the raddle, perhaps that will be helpful. You guys make this look easy. This is my first time warping back to front.

                                                                                Stephanie

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                                                                              • #159853
                                                                                Jane
                                                                                Keymaster

                                                                                  Well Stephanie, every single one of us has done this at least once.  It may be okay if you are very careful. The first thing I would do would be to put a piece of painters tape right across all the your threads  on the back thread beam because they are probably pretty straight right now.  Tape them right to the beam.  This tape will help keep them in order.  Then I would work with one section from the raddle at a time.  Weavers who wind onto sectional beams don’t have a cross and when I used to do it I would tape each bundle flat from the tension box and thread carefully from there.  This is why you want to use a type of tape that is easily removable.  Painters tape works very well for this.

                                                                                  Hope this helps,

                                                                                  Jane

                                                                                   

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                                                                                • #159864
                                                                                  Stephanie Thomas
                                                                                  Participant

                                                                                    Taping them to the back thread beam before winding them on will keep them from slipping? Well, I should have waited a bit longer because I went ahead and wound them on. UGH! I will keep a keen eye on the colors and try to keep them straight with each raddle, from the first, slowly to the last. The next one will turn out much better I predict!
                                                                                    Thank you,

                                                                                    Stephanie

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                                                                                  • #160399
                                                                                    Susan Craig
                                                                                    Participant

                                                                                      While I was rolling my warp onto the loom, I did not notice until I started to thread the heddles – that the paper on the one side had folded and some of my threads fell off.  I backed up the tension and have been trying to figure this all out but I am having problems. You can see in the photo where I circled that I have two threads in a row going over the same lease stick. This is where I have to start .  Any advise would be greatly appreciated!

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                                                                                    • #160401
                                                                                      Susan Craig
                                                                                      Participant

                                                                                        It’s a terrible mess…I cannot tell how to order the threads.  Is there a way that I can re-do the warp with these threads?  I have already cut the end loop

                                                                                        • This reply was modified 6 days, 22 hours ago by Susan Craig.
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                                                                                        • #160404
                                                                                          Sandra
                                                                                          Keymaster

                                                                                            Are they in order in the cross?  Even if a few threads are misbehaving, as long as they are close together in the cross, you should be OK.  Keep us posted.

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                                                                                        • #160483
                                                                                          Susan Craig
                                                                                          Participant

                                                                                            I have a few threads that are not in the cross at all.  I have no idea where in the warp they should be.  Is there a fix for this?

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                                                                                            • #160490
                                                                                              Ginette
                                                                                              Keymaster

                                                                                                Hi Susan, those few threads that are out of the cross, they are most likely very close to where they should be. Usually when this happens, and it happens 😉 I thread them where I think they should go by following it to the back of the loom on the warp beam just to double check approximately their position. That said, if they are within an inch or so of where they should be, you’ll be fine. Hope this helps!

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                                                                                              • #160719
                                                                                                Ginette
                                                                                                Keymaster

                                                                                                  Hi Susan,

                                                                                                  How did you make out with your cross?

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                                                                                              • #160762
                                                                                                Stephanie Thomas
                                                                                                Participant

                                                                                                  Hi. I am using my Baby Wolf and getting ready to thread the heddles. I am finding that I do not have enough heddles on some of my shafts (I have 8) and do not want to take everything apart and re-organize them. The pattern calls for 4 shafts so I am thinking it would be easier to just use two shafts for one. So, pattern calls for 225 on shaft two, I want to put maybe 115 on two and the remainder on three, since I have enough shafts to do this. My question is, for shaft 2 and 3, do I put on the first 115 on two and then the remainder for a total of 225 on 3 or should they be dispersed, first thread on shaft two, then second thread on shaft three? That seems crazy but not sure if it is necessary or not.

                                                                                                  Thanks! Stephanie

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                                                                                                  • #160999
                                                                                                    Stephanie Thomas
                                                                                                    Participant

                                                                                                      Hi, have you missed my question posted on March 29, 2020 at 7:51 AM? Or is there just no answer?

                                                                                                      Thanks,

                                                                                                      Stephanie Thomas

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                                                                                                    • #161013
                                                                                                      Sandra
                                                                                                      Keymaster

                                                                                                        Can you treadle two treadles at the same time, on your Baby Wolf?  I’ve seldom woven on one.

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                                                                                                    • #160894
                                                                                                      Keith
                                                                                                      Participant

                                                                                                        Hello, I’m wondering if there are printed notes for this lesson and the lessons that follow in episode 2. I’ve looked through the PDFs and the one for episode 2 stops with winding on the warp (page 11), after covering only two of the topics listed on the first page. The next file starts with Hemstitching, episode 3.

                                                                                                        They told me in grade school that girls learn faster than boys, so if I’m just missing something everyone else is getting, don’t hesitate to say so. But say it slowly.

                                                                                                        Thanks,

                                                                                                        Keith

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                                                                                                        • #160900
                                                                                                          Ginette
                                                                                                          Keymaster

                                                                                                            Hi Keith,

                                                                                                            Thanks for pointing that out actually, much appreciated! The #3 to #8 are actually presented as videos and not on this or any other PDF. We’ll remove those on that first page, in the meantime, here’s where they are:

                                                                                                            #3 Threading the Heddles is video 2.4,

                                                                                                            #4 Sleying the Reed is 2.5

                                                                                                            #5 Tying on the Apron rod is 2.6,

                                                                                                            then we go to Episode 3 for

                                                                                                            #7 Bobbin Winding is 3.2,

                                                                                                            #8 Shuttle Control & Beating is 3.3

                                                                                                            #6, I’m looking for which video as Jane actually shows this is several videos

                                                                                                            You know, it’s the first time this has been brought up so I think you’re pretty fast 😉

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                                                                                                        • #160907
                                                                                                          Keith
                                                                                                          Participant

                                                                                                            Thanks, Ginette, I appreciate the reply and the encouragement. On to the next video . . .

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                                                                                                          • #161019
                                                                                                            Stephanie Thomas
                                                                                                            Participant

                                                                                                              Yes!!!

                                                                                                               

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                                                                                                              • #161022
                                                                                                                Sandra
                                                                                                                Keymaster

                                                                                                                  It would probably work but it’s hard to say for sure, without seeing your draft.  Can you post your draft for us to see?

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