Thoughts on 2.1 – Dressing Your Loom Back to Front – Warping a Loom 1, cotton boucle warp

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    • #157512
      Ginette
      Keymaster

        Let us know your thoughts on 2.1 – Dressing Your Loom Back to Front – Warping a Loom 1, cotton boucle warp.

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      • #157513
        sengle685
        Participant

          I noticed that your beam rod is only secured on the ends to the apron rod. It looks like it is bowed in the middle. Is this a problem?
          Thanks

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          • #157514
            Jane
            Keymaster

              After I spread the warp I lash a cord through both aprons…that prevents the bowing.

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              • #157515
                sengle685
                Participant

                  I don’t understand what you just said. Are you saying a long cord that goes around the wood piece and the metal rod after the warp goes on the rod? I am looking at your warping notes on page 7 at a picture on the bottom right corner of the page. I think I see the lashing of the cord there but the picture isn’t clear.
                  thanks….

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                • #157516
                  sengle685
                  Participant

                    Actually I found a better picture on page 9. I see the metal rod but the wood part I don’t understand that piece. I am reviewing the video and hope that will answer my question too

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                    • #157517
                      Sandra
                      Keymaster

                        Actually – Jane gives a good close-up demonstration of securing the warping rod so it won’t bow in Season 1, Episode 2:2, at around the 7 minute mark. You will get a better idea of what is happening there by watching her do it. Have fun!

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                • #157519
                  ldmcd1
                  Participant

                    There only seems to be 41 seconds of episode 1 available ? Where is the rest??

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                  • #157520
                    ldmcd1
                    Participant

                      Ignore my comment, have now found what I did wrong and can watch all of episode1!

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                    • #157521
                      bzbbell
                      Participant

                        I’ve been looking at season 1 videos as a review and found this idea of having the raddle be on the castle to be really interesting. I have a Schacht floor loom that comes with a lovely raddle meant to be clamped onto the back beam. However, I have always found it to be really difficult to get the the warp through the beam rod, attach it, and put all the bundles into the raddle – the hardest part of warping for me. I would love to try attaching my raddle to the castle but the clamps are not wide enough. Do you think I could use some Irwin quick grips? Would it work?

                        Many thanks for the advice.

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                        • #157522
                          Jane
                          Keymaster

                            Irwin Quick Grips…..every gal should own a pair 🙂
                            They will work perfectly….it is what I do with my Baby Wolf.

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                            • #157578
                              Shandelin Anderson
                              Participant

                                When warping with the rattle why are you adding empty spaces and when do you make this determination? And how do you determine how much space?

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                                • #157579
                                  Sandra
                                  Keymaster

                                    The empty spaces are only needed when you are planning your weaving using the imperial system of measurement. If you have a metric raddle, as found on Louet looms, you add the space about every four inches so it is spaced out in your raddle to match your width in the reed. If you have a raddle that is measured in inches – don’t worry about needing a space.

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                              • #157529
                                rlmarchand623
                                Participant

                                  Hi, on my baby wolf I clamp to the castle and it works great. My first and favorite loom is a Spring so I loved the raddle built in and just do the same thing on my Baby Wolf.

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                              • #157523
                                melodyr2
                                Participant

                                  I watched this episode and put my homemade raddle on top as shown using clamps. Yay! I had the clamps already. This was the easiest and best warp I have put on yet. My ends met so nicely in the front. It was easy to stand and slip the ends in the raddle without killing my back. And all my threads are smooth and spread out neatly over the back beam without twists. I’m still a beginner (just a few months) and haven’t done many projects because I just couldn’t get the warps on correctly. (I have thrown many warps away after turning them into a tangled mess.)
                                  Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! And this is just the beginning of the episodes! I’m so excited to watch and learn more!

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                                • #157524
                                  laurenvaughan
                                  Participant

                                    I am putting a 45″ warp on a LeClerc counter balance using your method. The 45″ raddle is clamped on to the shafts but there is not enough space between the cords to spread 45″. Should I spread the warp in the available 40 or so inches? I am really enjoying your lessons.

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                                    • #157525
                                      Jane
                                      Keymaster

                                        This will be fine and it is the easiest way to do it. I have in the past, undone the roller cords from the harnesses and moved the extra warp to the outside of them and then put them back on….but you need an extra pair of hands for that. Glad you are enjoying the guild.

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                                    • #157526
                                      kbesing
                                      Participant

                                        I am just now watching this video.I am confused on placing the thread in the raddle. If you warped multiple threads together then you place them all together in one space in the riddle, correct? I don’t understand how/ when you leave a space. Is it because the raddle is metric or because the you put more threads in some slots?

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                                        • #157528
                                          Ginette
                                          Keymaster

                                            Hi there, you’re correct, if you warped with multiple threads together in your hand, you place those threads together in the slots in the raddle. The raddle that’s on this Spring loom in the video is metric so leaving a space compensates for the conversion when you spread it onto the raddle.
                                            When you’ve warped with multiple threads together in your hand, you don’t want to separate them in the raddle as they will tend to want to go back together and will cause snags when you’re winding onto the loom. If you find that the math is not quite working (# of threads in an inch) because you’ve made the warp holding multiple threads in your hand, keep them together even if you have to put them into the slot next to it. Having them off a tiny bit won’t affect the final outcome of spreading your warp across the loom.

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                                            • #157576
                                              Bettie Shea
                                              Participant

                                                Question. How can you tell when you come to a place where you have used multiple threads at once(so as to keep them together)? I understand the WHY but not the how to identify piece. Do I just remember from when I wound the warp or is it really obvious and easy to notice?

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                                                • #157577
                                                  Ginette
                                                  Keymaster

                                                    Hi Bettie, your cross will keep each set of multiple threads together and you’ll be able to get them off the lease sticks one group at a time. Hope that makes sense 🙂

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                                            • #157527
                                              kbesing
                                              Participant

                                                Why not break a thread group?

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                                              • #157530
                                                LYNNDYLOO58
                                                Participant

                                                  I just cannot visualize how to attach a raddle to the top of my Schacht or Gilmore loom. There’s nothing to set the raddle on. Is it possible?

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                                                  • #157531
                                                    Ginette
                                                    Keymaster

                                                      Hi Lynn,
                                                      You could attach the raddle onto the harnesses. Jane shows this in the next lesson, 2.2 Counter-balance loom, short silk warp. It works great!

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                                                      • #157532
                                                        LYNNDYLOO58
                                                        Participant

                                                          Thanks! I hadn’t gotten that far yet!

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                                                    • #157533
                                                      Raewyn Broady
                                                      Participant

                                                        Hi – I am a beginner weaver and just bought an Ashford table loom. The instructions have the raddle attached to the back beam. The method in the video of attaching it to the castle looks much better but I am not sure where it attach it on my loom as there is not flat area on the top of the loom to clamp it on to. Do you have any suggestions?
                                                        Thank you!

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                                                        • #157534
                                                          Jane
                                                          Keymaster

                                                            Hi Raewyn, is there anyway you could clamp it higher on the castle?

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                                                            • #157535
                                                              Raewyn Broady
                                                              Participant

                                                                Thanks for getting back to me. The top of the castle is curved – I tried attaching it to the bar the beater is attached to but it is a bit wobbly. I think I need to drill a hole and screw it on. I wish I had found your fabulous online lessons before I bought my loom or I would have paid the extra for the Louet 🙁

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                                                          • #157536
                                                            aimeemorrow1
                                                            Participant

                                                              I’ve just finished episode 2 and attached my warp to my front apron rod. However, I have JUST realised that I forgot to put my warp OVER my back beam. My warp goes directly from my warp beam to my heddles. Oops! Am I still going to be able to weave or is it going to affect the tension? Thank you!

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                                                              • #157537
                                                                Ginette
                                                                Keymaster

                                                                  Hi aimeemorrow1, you may end up with some issues.. What kind of loom do you have? Can the back beam be removed from your loom where you could first loosen up the tension but keep your warp tied to the front apron, remove the back beam gently, place it under the warp and then place it back. Let us know how you make out.

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                                                              • #157538
                                                                silverhillfarm
                                                                Participant

                                                                  Good morning Jane my question is as I was pulling up the warp through to the rattle.. That in the sequencing when making the cross I had two threads that went through the cross together so in other words four strands of my warp are not crossed properly if I can explain that correctly…. I was happily going along counting five threads to go into each section of my rattle and then I came to where two were not crossed and then another two that were not crossed so how do I correct this error? Side by side…in the sequence…

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                                                                  • #157539
                                                                    Ginette
                                                                    Keymaster

                                                                      Hi, sometimes we miss the cross with a few threads and as long as they are near to where they are suppose to be, it’ll be fine. Just add then in your raddle and continue on. When you’re threading the heddles and you get to them, just grab one of the ‘2s’ then thread the other 2.

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                                                                  • #157540
                                                                    rooneymt
                                                                    Participant

                                                                      Hi….I have an Ashford Jack. The raddle is part of the back beam. The twist is in front of the raddles rather than behind as in your video. I’ve only been for 6 months and I’ve followed the way the Ashford video shows. They do two twists. One for the raddle and one for the heddle.

                                                                      So after I’ve wrapped the warping rod and raddle, Ashford has you removed the sticks in the twist and start winding the warp. Then when I get to the heddle twists you stop winding, reinsert the sticks into the twists and cut the ends. This seems to work fine for threading the heddles. But the thread is slightly twisted between my heddles and raddle. I haven’t used difficult yarn such as mohair and am wondering that will cause a problem with weaving? Or is the main thing to have the yarn wound tight and even and fairly close?

                                                                      Also what is your take on using warping sticks rather than paper? My largest project is the one I’m working on now which is only 6.5 yards long.

                                                                      If you think it’s important to only to have one twist and have the raddle in front of the twists I will change my process. But it makes it a bit more “messy” having to clamp the raddle on top rather than mount it at the rear as designed. And the same goes with the wrapping sticks. They appear to me much easier to use than trying to keep the paper straight.

                                                                      Thanks for the all the info! I’ve learned so much “fine tuning”. Hopefully I’m not being too anal with the location of my raddle in regards to the twist sticks! :))

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                                                                    • #157541
                                                                      yezemin
                                                                      Participant

                                                                        I noticed you telling that the last part of this warp was done by Charlotte, but in the first video about warping you strongly recommend doing all the warping in one session because different tensioning would occur otherwise. So I assume this warp would also have different tension as it was done by 2 different people.

                                                                        So as it looks like you break with your own recommendations: Would it really matter that much if you do your warping in several sessions? That’s what I’m usual doing as my arms tend to get tired if I have to do much more then 200 warp threads. I assume continue to work anyway would also affect my tension…

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                                                                        • #157542
                                                                          Jane
                                                                          Keymaster

                                                                            Hi There, I think that happened just because of the filming so there may have been a bit of tension difference but it wasn’t noticeable. I do like to make my warps all in one go but you need to do what is best for your body…first and foremost. If you make your warps in multiple sessions just try to make sure you keep the same tension…the best you can do. We can get rid of tension differences while we wind on…but it is nice to not have them at all. Rule #1….do what works for you :). Have fun.

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                                                                            • #157543
                                                                              yezemin
                                                                              Participant

                                                                                Thank you Jane! I never had big tension problems, even as I did my warp the lazy way (never thought about it messing with the tension), so I already assumed that I fixed that while winding on. But in the future I will take care to make my warp as much even tensioned as possible from the beginning. 🙂

                                                                                I’m not far in, but I already like your videos a lot. You and your camera team take care that we really can see every detail of what you are doing. That is so great!

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                                                                          • #157544
                                                                            sylvia.lowry
                                                                            Participant

                                                                              I have Leclerc jack looms with no castle so I have had to put the raddle in the beater. Is there no alternative for me?

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                                                                              • #157545
                                                                                Ginette
                                                                                Keymaster

                                                                                  Hi Sylvia, you could add your raddle to top of the harnesses and secure it with a pair of Quick Grips. In Episode 2.2, Jane demonstrate this on a counter balance loom but should work with your Jack Loom.

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                                                                              • #157546
                                                                                suzyviajera
                                                                                Participant

                                                                                  Saved up for 11 months to purchase my Louet David 35.5″ loom. First project is the Sample #7 Primary/Secondary Gamp. Been watching your guild videos for about 5 months and learning sooooooo much, as well as learning from lots of my own “operator errors”.
                                                                                  BTW: Love all the gorgeous yarns I ordered from you a couple of weeks ago.

                                                                                  ?#1. How do I keep better tension on my warp while I’m settling yarns into the raddle? 3.5 yard warp until I get the hang of everything,
                                                                                  ?#2. Hoping I made a correct determination on how many yarns go into each slot of the raddle? All were individually warped-no grouping. EPI:18, I put 3 into each slot and skipped a slot every 4″. 8/2 Cotton Warp, will also use this for the weft.

                                                                                  Any suggestions are greatly appreciated.
                                                                                  Thank you from Austin, Texas.

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                                                                                  • #157547
                                                                                    Sandra
                                                                                    Keymaster

                                                                                      Hi Suzy, I always use Jane’s Reed Substitution Chart and follow the column under the 5 dent reed to get the number of threads needed in each slot of the raddle. Naturally, I learned this from Jane ;-)! This way you’ll be very close to the width you need in your reed when you start denting and your warp will be nicely spread on your warp beam. Looking down that column you would spread your warp out 3-4-4 across your raddle to get 18 epi. Remember to mark your centre slot and start filling your raddle half the width of your cloth from centre. Clear as mud??? BTW – I just rest my warp on the bench in front of the loom and don’t worry about tension until I start winding on. You’ll be fine as long as you have everything well chained.

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                                                                                  • #157548
                                                                                    pcjm22
                                                                                    Participant

                                                                                      I have the very same question about tension. When I watch the video of Jane counting the threads at the cross and plunking them in the raddle, everything looks nice and tight. I am counting and plunking, but the threads are Very loose and seemingly shifting at the loop.

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                                                                                      • #157549
                                                                                        Sandra
                                                                                        Keymaster

                                                                                          Have you secured your warp in the raddle? Jane uses string to stop it from sliding around. I use long elastics that I happen to have around. The weight of the warp at the front of the loom usually keeps the tension on somewhat as you thread the raddle. Don’t know if this answers your question.

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                                                                                          • #157550
                                                                                            pcjm22
                                                                                            Participant

                                                                                              Yes. I think the problem is that my raddle has 1” nails that I have to maneuver over every time I plunk…

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                                                                                        • #157551
                                                                                          joan horwich
                                                                                          Participant

                                                                                            I have a Lila countermarch oxabach loom. My raddle is quite long and does not fit on my sheds. I placed it on the back of the loom on the cross beams and placed the cross behind the raddle. The problem is that I cannot see my cross when attempting to thread the heddles. I have suspended the lease sticks and cross from the top of the loom and that works ok with my 5/2 threads and standing up to see each of the two threads next in line, but it’s quite time consuming and awkward. The only solution I see for future warps is to place the cross in front of the raddle. Any suggestions? joan

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                                                                                            • #157552
                                                                                              Ginette
                                                                                              Keymaster

                                                                                                Hi Joan, do you remove the raddle once the warp in wound onto the loom and before you thread your heddles?

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                                                                                            • #157553
                                                                                              joan horwich
                                                                                              Participant

                                                                                                I did not- It actually never occurred to me to do so- Is that what you suggest?

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                                                                                                • #157554
                                                                                                  Ginette
                                                                                                  Keymaster

                                                                                                    Hi Joan,
                                                                                                    The raddle is to help keep your threads spaced out evenly when you wind onto the back beam. Once that process is done and the warp is on the loom and you’re ready to thread the heddles, you should remove it, it has done it’s job. In the next video, 2.2 – Dressing your loom Back – Warping a Counter Balance Loom, around the 24:30 mark Jane removes the raddle, if you’d like to have a peek at that video. Removing the raddle will help you reach and see the threads on the lease sticks and make it much easier for you. I should add, the video 2.4 Threading your heddles, Jane has quite a few tips there to make it easier on our bodies. 🙂

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                                                                                                • #157555
                                                                                                  joan horwich
                                                                                                  Participant

                                                                                                    Thank you so much for your responses. I removed the raddle and completed threading the heddles without difficulty. I love that I can review all of these episodes as needed

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                                                                                                    • #157556
                                                                                                      Ginette
                                                                                                      Keymaster

                                                                                                        So glad it was easier for you!

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                                                                                                    • #157557
                                                                                                      Susan Ott
                                                                                                      Participant

                                                                                                        I, too, have questions about how to attach the raddle on my Baby Wolf. My raddle has the largest flat side on the bottom but I can’t get It securely attached sitting on the top of the harnesses. The video looks like the raddle is attached to the front side of the harness, so that mine would be attaching the narrow edge of the raddle to the front. This seems like it would be more secure as the yarn is pulled through but I worry about the possibility of it not having enough contact on that narrow edge. I bought the small Irwin clamps but now I’m wondering if I should have splurged for the large ones. Would they provide a more secure grip? Help, please.

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                                                                                                        • #157558
                                                                                                          Ginette
                                                                                                          Keymaster

                                                                                                            Hi Susan, I have small & large Irwin grips and both work fine. The small ones are actually quite strong. Why don’t you try the small Irwin clamps without a warp on and see how stable it is, wiggle it and such. You could leave them on the loom for a while and then check back to see if they are still attached nice and sturdy.

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                                                                                                        • #157559
                                                                                                          Linda Dorsey
                                                                                                          Participant

                                                                                                            Jane,

                                                                                                            My loom has a sectional back beam. How would you tackle warping with a heddle?

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                                                                                                            • #157560
                                                                                                              Sandra
                                                                                                              Keymaster

                                                                                                                Hi Linda, I’m assuming you mean a raddle. You don’t need one if you warp using a sectional back beam. You spread out the warp using the sectional beam rather than using a raddle. Hope this is what you were asking!

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                                                                                                            • #157561
                                                                                                              Teresa Coons
                                                                                                              Participant

                                                                                                                I have just joined the Online Guild, and have started watching the videos — very helpful! Thanks! I have a Schacht 8-harness table loom, that I learned to warp using the front to back method. I would like to try your back to front method, as it looks like it would help me keep my warp organized much better than what I have been doing. Is there anything I should know about purchasing a raddle for this table loom? (It looks like Ashford sells table loom raddle kits, but I’m not sure if they will work on my Schacht loom.).

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                                                                                                                • #157562
                                                                                                                  Sandra
                                                                                                                  Keymaster

                                                                                                                    Welcome, Teresa! I think you’ll find that a lot of us have actually made their own raddles and have clamped them on their looms. Keep watching you’ll find Jane using handmade raddles in Season 1: Episode 2.

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                                                                                                                • #157563
                                                                                                                  Gwyn Weatherford
                                                                                                                  Participant

                                                                                                                    Where are the notes?

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                                                                                                                  • #157564
                                                                                                                    Gwyn Weatherford
                                                                                                                    Participant

                                                                                                                      Found it.

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                                                                                                                    • #157565
                                                                                                                      hilary.brooks
                                                                                                                      Participant

                                                                                                                        This video won’t play for me even though I’m a member and I’m logged in.. did I do something wrong? Love these videos so really want to view it.

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                                                                                                                        • #157566
                                                                                                                          Sandra
                                                                                                                          Keymaster

                                                                                                                            Hi Hilary, There are some tips about accessing the videos – should you have problems – in the Forum under the thread FAQs – Housekeeping, JST Forum and/or by clicking on the Help button on the bottom left hand corner of any page of the website. Let us know if you still have problems after trying the suggested trouble shooting tips. We’ll get you going – but it’s Thanksgiving week-end here in Canada and the Studio is closed until Tuesday.

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                                                                                                                        • #157567
                                                                                                                          Kali Tal
                                                                                                                          Participant

                                                                                                                            Hi, Jane. I watched through the winding and warping lessons quite a few times. Winding the warp on the reel went well and your chaining technique is fabulous–I wound up with a nice tight chain with small links. Everything went perfectly until I tried to wind the yarn over & under the Ashford lease sticks. I’ve got an Ashford table loom, and clamped the raddle to the castle. I suspended the lease sticks in a figure-8 tied just like you show in your video,, so the sticks slid nicely. But when I went to wind the yarn on the back beam, the three wouldn’t move smoothly over them. I am working with 8/2 Tencel and it clumped and fuzzed and caught, and it took me an hour to keep picking out the fuzz-knots and wind. Do wooden lease sticks just not work well with Tencel?

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                                                                                                                            • #157568
                                                                                                                              Jane
                                                                                                                              Keymaster

                                                                                                                                Hi Kali, Did you make your warp with one warp yarn in your hand or three. If you made your warp with one end they might stick because of the Tencel, but if you made it with 3 in your hand I’m stumped. I always warp with multiples in my hands with sticky threads because it reduces the friction on the warp going through the lease sticks.

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                                                                                                                            • #157569
                                                                                                                              Victoria Conery
                                                                                                                              Participant

                                                                                                                                Excùse me Jane what are those claps again please thank u vicky

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                                                                                                                                • #157570
                                                                                                                                  Jane
                                                                                                                                  Keymaster

                                                                                                                                    Hi Vicky, they are called Irwin Quick Grips.

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                                                                                                                                • #157571
                                                                                                                                  Emma Hamilton
                                                                                                                                  Participant

                                                                                                                                    With a short warp, the weight of it hanging wouldn’t provide enough tension for putting it in the raddle, how would you remedy this?
                                                                                                                                    I’d also like to see an example where there are two or more warp chains and how the whole process is managed in that case. Do you hold them together at the front as one when winding on?

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                                                                                                                                    • #157572
                                                                                                                                      Jane
                                                                                                                                      Keymaster

                                                                                                                                        Hi Emma,
                                                                                                                                        There is no example of me warping on with two chains. When we do it I get someone to hold the warps out front with equal tension on both.
                                                                                                                                        Hope this helps,
                                                                                                                                        Jane

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                                                                                                                                    • #157573
                                                                                                                                      Emma Hamilton
                                                                                                                                      Participant

                                                                                                                                        My warp isn’t neat once it’s all wound on it’s all twisty at the end and hard to know if it’s even for cutting. What am I doing wrong?

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                                                                                                                                        • #157574
                                                                                                                                          Sandra
                                                                                                                                          Keymaster

                                                                                                                                            It’s hard to visualize what you are describing, Emma. Could you take a photo and post it and your question on the Forum so we can see your warp.

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                                                                                                                                            • #157575
                                                                                                                                              Emma Hamilton
                                                                                                                                              Participant

                                                                                                                                                I’ve untangled it and cut the end now but it was twisting like plying together in a spiral, and many of the ends plying together presumably from twist added whilst making the warp on the warping board?

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                                                                                                                                          • #157580
                                                                                                                                            Cordelia
                                                                                                                                            Participant

                                                                                                                                              Hello,
                                                                                                                                              I am about to put on my first floor loom warp and I am rewatching these videos to prepare. My first project (before I start with the guild samples) will be a 33 cm wide cotton scarf. The loom is a 70 cm countermarch loom. QUESTION: Does Jane’s way of lashing the apron rod to the warp rod mean that I can leave the full width of beam cords without worrying about any rods bowing – even if my warp is narrow?

                                                                                                                                              I have heard that some people recommend not to use the full width of beam cords if you are not weaving full width – in order to prevent bowing /breaking of the apron rod. I am not sure if it is important in this context or not but I am using the “continuous attached cord” method for the beam cords. It looks to me like Jane uses that too on the Spring in the video – only with fewer cords? (I have 6 cords for 7 holes on the 70 cm beam whereas I can only see 3 on Jane’s Spring.)

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                                                                                                                                              Stephanie Thomas
                                                                                                                                              Participant

                                                                                                                                                Hi, I have asked this question before and cannot find it now to see the answer so forgive me but I am asking again. I warped in three sections and have the threads through the raddle. I am wondering if I should un-chain the three separate warps and warp them as one, I am afraid if I don’t, I will have trouble keeping the tension on all three the same while winding on. What are your thoughts? Thank you.

                                                                                                                                                Stephanie

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                                                                                                                                                • #159717
                                                                                                                                                  Ginette
                                                                                                                                                  Keymaster

                                                                                                                                                    Hi Stephanie,

                                                                                                                                                    I would warp them as one for sure, that’ll keep you tension even and make it easier for you to wind on. You can unchain as much as you need to start, weigh it down with books, all 3 chains together under the same books, then when the chain reaches the point where you need to do more, unchain them all together.

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                                                                                                                                                • #160166
                                                                                                                                                  Jackie Gordon
                                                                                                                                                  Participant

                                                                                                                                                    What kind of thread did Jane use to tie the cross stick together?

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                                                                                                                                                  • #160169
                                                                                                                                                    Sandra
                                                                                                                                                    Keymaster

                                                                                                                                                      Jane usually has a cone of seine twine hanging around, it’s strong and can be used over again and again.

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                                                                                                                                                    • #160193
                                                                                                                                                      Gale Larsen
                                                                                                                                                      Participant

                                                                                                                                                        What is the size of the seine twine you use to tie the lease sticks together.  I see that it is available in many weights and I want to get one that is strong enough but not too thick.

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                                                                                                                                                        • #160262
                                                                                                                                                          Ginette
                                                                                                                                                          Keymaster

                                                                                                                                                            Hi Gale, the #9 should work for you but if you have some 8/4 cotton kicking around, that’ll work as well 🙂

                                                                                                                                                            I use shoe laces, really long ones, that’s what I started with years ago and never changed them.

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                                                                                                                                                        • #160339
                                                                                                                                                          Gretchen Green
                                                                                                                                                          Participant

                                                                                                                                                            Aw! You won me over when I watched winding on from back to front! I love standing up. Also, I can see the benefit of the raddle vs. none. Yikes! Messes can happen. I love the online guild. Great info.

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                                                                                                                                                          • #160626
                                                                                                                                                            Nancy Ricketts
                                                                                                                                                            Participant

                                                                                                                                                              I am a fairly new weaver and have taken two classes but this is the first time I am trying a back to from warp.  I was confused by the use of a warp rod.  The books I referenced just talk about putting the warp directly on the apron rod.  Could you explain the advantage of using both?  I belong a guild and many members quote you often, so I really want to follow your suggestions closely and at the same time gain an understanding of the process.

                                                                                                                                                               

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                                                                                                                                                              • #160656
                                                                                                                                                                Sandra
                                                                                                                                                                Keymaster

                                                                                                                                                                  Hi Nancy.  The easiest way for me to answer your question is to cut and paste a reply from Jane, to the same question that is on The Knowledge Base on the JST website!  “I use the rod solely to save myself some grief trying to get the apron cord off the apron rod and splitting up the warp into the proper amounts and then getting the cords back on the apron rod again. I just like things to be as simple as possible. In Holland, they spread through the raddle straight from the lease sticks and then do as you suggest. Both ways work and are not right or wrong…..to each person they might be easier or harder and we get to pick which way works best for us!”

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                                                                                                                                                              • #160722
                                                                                                                                                                Nancy Ricketts
                                                                                                                                                                Participant

                                                                                                                                                                  Thank you for the answer and I probably will review everything in the knowledge base, well not everything. I watched 2.2 and even though I Don’t have a counterbalance room it was helpful to watch. I am loving this online instruction

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                                                                                                                                                                • #162083
                                                                                                                                                                  Patricia Fear
                                                                                                                                                                  Participant

                                                                                                                                                                    Hello

                                                                                                                                                                    I have been weaving for 40 years on and off and bought myself this course – Thank you so much.  I have more looms than I should and they are all different types.
                                                                                                                                                                    Now I am mainly working on a Varapapu Tele-Flid loom which is 32 inches wide with 8 shafts with a double back beam which is operated with shaft lift tabs at the front so I thought heck where I am I going to mount a home made raddle and of course I can put it at the back of the castle and lower all the tabs down (as otherwise they would be in the way of the chained warp and unable to lie on the castle) as I do not need to worry about the shafts being up at this stage.  I just thought this might be handy to know for those who have one of these looms.
                                                                                                                                                                    I have always stopped when warping to put in a raddle cross and am going to try not doing so on my next piece of work to see how it goes.  Also the way to keep tension is superb when you chain.  I have a strap on finger counter that I use for counting rows when I work fairisle so I may very well use this to count my threads when warping.
                                                                                                                                                                    This is a completely new way for me but at 69 with back problems I am hoping it will enable me to continue to weave for a long time – thank you so much.

                                                                                                                                                                    • This reply was modified 5 months, 2 weeks ago by Patricia Fear.
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                                                                                                                                                                  • #163088
                                                                                                                                                                    Marilee Peterson
                                                                                                                                                                    Participant

                                                                                                                                                                      First, this online guild rocks. I’m a brand new weaver. I took one class on the rigid heddle loom and one on a four harness loom and the four harness won my heart. And Janes videos have been so very helpful. I love that I can go back to them again and again.

                                                                                                                                                                      My question – I’m  putting my first warp on my four harness and have a question about putting the first warp thread on the rod – the end that was tied to the warping board to begin the warp. It was a challenge to manage when I was making my chain but I kept track of the end I just slipped the loop from tying it to the warping board onto the rod. Is that what I’m supposed to do? Hope I explained that well enough. Thanks in advance for your help!

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                                                                                                                                                                    • #163224
                                                                                                                                                                      Deborah Fister
                                                                                                                                                                      Participant

                                                                                                                                                                        I am reviewing these videos because warping is one of my challenges. I am notorious for putting on long warps because I hate doing it! Right now I am under strict orders to stick to 3 yard warps until I can do it with my eyes closed.

                                                                                                                                                                        That tug/snap trick would have saved me some warp. I ended up with 2 short ends. Now I am wondering where the rest of the thread is.

                                                                                                                                                                        I noticed that you put the loop on the metal rod rather than on the wooden apron rod. Is there a reason for this? My Harrisville had only one metal rod that went around the back beam. No lashing involved. On the other hand, my Schacht table loom has a rod attached to the back beam and it is not possible to slide the warp on that rod, so I tied the 2 rods together rather than lashing.

                                                                                                                                                                        I know you are a long time BTF beamer but have you ever used FTB and designed at the reed using multiple warp chains. I purchased a hand dyed warp from Blazing Shuttles (Kathrin Weber) and a HD skein. I will be winding some narrow bouts of that yarn and combining it with the prewound warp. I am not exactly sure how the 2 warps will combine.

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                                                                                                                                                                      • #163660
                                                                                                                                                                        Kathleen Birch
                                                                                                                                                                        Participant

                                                                                                                                                                          Up to this point in my weaving I have done production weaving of rag rugs, first as an apprentice in a studio for several years and then on my own for several years. My floor looms (2 Cranbrook looms, a Union 36 loom and a Newcomb Studio loom) all have sectional beams so I have warped using a spool rack and tension box, winding the loom, section by section onto the warp beam. How do I accommodate the warping methods that I’m watching here? I am looking forward to having the option of warping smaller warps on my looms.

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                                                                                                                                                                          • #163744
                                                                                                                                                                            Ginette
                                                                                                                                                                            Keymaster

                                                                                                                                                                              Hi Kathleen,

                                                                                                                                                                              You can still wind on a full warp like Jane demonstrates on the videos. The only difference is that you’ll be winding on the whole warp at one go and without paper separator. I actually do this now to all my warps for my AVL loom and have given up winding on section by section from the spool rack and tension box. I do long warps (12 yards) of 8/2 cotton without a problem. Give it a try with a small warp.

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                                                                                                                                                                          • #163748
                                                                                                                                                                            Grace Mandle
                                                                                                                                                                            Participant

                                                                                                                                                                              I am new to your forum as of yesterday, but not new to weaving – yet I am finding your common sense approach extremely valuable.  I have always dressed a loom front to back, but you definitely make me want to try back to front.  Question:  I have a Mighty Wolf and have just purchased a secondary back beam.  Am I going to need 2 raddles, and would you recommend I warp twice – once for the primary warp and a second time for the secondary warp?

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                                                                                                                                                                            • #163758
                                                                                                                                                                              Sandra
                                                                                                                                                                              Keymaster

                                                                                                                                                                                Jane warps her layers together on a single warp beam, and I only have single beams on my two looms.  Hopefully, someone else with a loom with 2 warp beams can answer your question.  If you want to read about how she adjusts her tension when weaving two layers – you can find her tip here:

                                                                                                                                                                                Tensioning warp with two layers on a single warp beam

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                                                                                                                                                                              • #163888
                                                                                                                                                                                Carrie McBride
                                                                                                                                                                                Participant

                                                                                                                                                                                  I have a Norwood loom with sectional back beam.  I’ve always warped front to back but I’m not sure I am getting as even a tension as I could.  When I tie on to the back beam, the ties must go around the beam on top of each other along with the threads.  Could this be the problem?  Someone suggested I take the pegs out but I don’t see how that would change the fact that everything is laying on top of each other.  Thanks for your help.  I love these classes!

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                                                                                                                                                                                  • #163906
                                                                                                                                                                                    Sandra
                                                                                                                                                                                    Keymaster

                                                                                                                                                                                      Hi, Carrie.  Do you have an apron rod you could attach to your back beam?  That way, you could remove your pegs and warp back to front.  You would then be able to put paper around your warp beam as you wind on.  Doing that, your warp is protected by paper as you wind it on,

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                                                                                                                                                                                      • #166954
                                                                                                                                                                                        Carrie McBride
                                                                                                                                                                                        Participant

                                                                                                                                                                                          Thanks for your reply Sandra.  I think I can attach an apron rod to my back beam.  Is a raddle necessary for warping back to front?  Not sure where it would go on this loom.

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                                                                                                                                                                                    • #166543
                                                                                                                                                                                      Kellie Stapleton
                                                                                                                                                                                      Participant

                                                                                                                                                                                        I have a Leclerc Voyageur and the apron and warp rods are both metal and the same size. So I made a loop using Texsolv and put it around the warp rod. But…….. I can’t get the end of the apron rod to fit through the Texsolv. Any ideas to get the hole bigger?

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                                                                                                                                                                                        • #166544
                                                                                                                                                                                          Sandra
                                                                                                                                                                                          Keymaster

                                                                                                                                                                                            Would it work doing it this way ………….IMG_2058

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                                                                                                                                                                                        • #166555
                                                                                                                                                                                          Kellie Stapleton
                                                                                                                                                                                          Participant

                                                                                                                                                                                            I’m assuming the pencil represents one of the rods. Say you pull the pencil out and put in the warp rod. Then you make another loop and put the apron rod through. As soon as there’s tension on the apron rod the texsolv pulls through and the loop is gone. Am I missing something in your photo?

                                                                                                                                                                                            BTW a pencil fits on my texsolv

                                                                                                                                                                                            Got this figured out. Thanks.

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                                                                                                                                                                                          • #166605
                                                                                                                                                                                            Kellie Stapleton
                                                                                                                                                                                            Participant

                                                                                                                                                                                              Can you put a raddle with the nails horizontal as opposed to vertical (nails pointing to ceiling) when you’re trying to find a spot not on the back beam? Is it better to have the raddle as high as you can get it?

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                                                                                                                                                                                            • #166612
                                                                                                                                                                                              Deborah Fister
                                                                                                                                                                                              Participant

                                                                                                                                                                                                Kelly, I am trying to imagine the nails pointing horizontally. The warp threads would fall out. Sometimes I put yard sticks that run from the breast beam to the back beam and secure the raddle to the yardstick. I can put mine on the back beam without much trouble. It doesn’t need to be high, but I like the lease sticks high so I can see the threads better.

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                                                                                                                                                                                              • #166885
                                                                                                                                                                                                Pauline Bellecci
                                                                                                                                                                                                Participant

                                                                                                                                                                                                  What  size Irwin Clamp do you find most useful? I see that there are many sizes and I would like to avoid purchasing one too small.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                  • #166982
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Sandra
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Keymaster

                                                                                                                                                                                                      Measure the depth of what you need to clamp, and get one that can solidly hold that much.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                  • #166975
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Kellie Stapleton
                                                                                                                                                                                                    Participant

                                                                                                                                                                                                      When lashing the warp rod to the apron rod, I read you should lash only as wide as your project. Yes, no, doesn’t matter?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                      • #166981
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Sandra
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Keymaster

                                                                                                                                                                                                          One usually lashes the width of the warp, but there is no rule that you can’t lash the whole width, if that’s what you want to do 😉

                                                                                                                                                                                                           

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                                                                                                                                                                                                      • #167556
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Margaret Davidson
                                                                                                                                                                                                        Participant

                                                                                                                                                                                                          Hello, I am loving watching all the wonderful episodes we have in our Guild.

                                                                                                                                                                                                          I have a specific question about the paper that goes on the back beam between the fiber layers. What is it? Is it craft paper? If so, what is the weight and where can I order it?

                                                                                                                                                                                                          Thank you!

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                                                                                                                                                                                                          • #167604
                                                                                                                                                                                                            Sandra
                                                                                                                                                                                                            Keymaster

                                                                                                                                                                                                              Hi Margaret! I believe Jane bought hers at the post office, but I found mine in a stationary store, Staples – if I recall correctly.  You want paper that isn’t too light weight, but I honestly don’t remember the weight of mine.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                          • #167727
                                                                                                                                                                                                            Nancy Barge
                                                                                                                                                                                                            Participant

                                                                                                                                                                                                              I have a Glimakra countermarch loom. Where should I place the raddle?  I’m thinking the back beam is the best place. What do you think?  I have always warped front to back . I’m looking forward to trying your method of back to front.

                                                                                                                                                                                                               

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                                                                                                                                                                                                            • #167764
                                                                                                                                                                                                              Mary Pedro
                                                                                                                                                                                                              Participant

                                                                                                                                                                                                                This may have been asked but I see that Jane has seine twine in 3 sizes for sale. Please can you tell me which size does she use in warping the Louet Spring loom?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                 

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                                                                                                                                                                                                              • #169983
                                                                                                                                                                                                                Trish
                                                                                                                                                                                                                Participant

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I too would be interested to hear about where the raddle  would go on a CM loom.  Also…re the click grips – I’d really like to buy some but have no clue what size.  What size does Jane find most useful?  I’ve done without them my whole life and can manage for the rest as there isn’t anything in particular I need/want to clamp yet…but if I know what size I’ll go ahead and purchase some as I’ll be very happy with them.  thanks

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                • #173680
                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Frank Reiter
                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Participant

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    What diameter do you suggest for the metal rod?

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                    • #173690
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Ginette
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Keymaster

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Hi Frank,

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        We use rods that are 1/2 inch stainless steel.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                    • #173681
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Trish
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Participant

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I love the texsolv idea though sadly my rods are all too big.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                      • #173754
                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Frank Reiter
                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Participant

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Thank you Ginette.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                        • #174873
                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Ann Nez
                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Participant

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Jane, thank you!  I’ve  been weaving for over ten years and constantly struggled with warping. I adopted all your techniques : dropped the counting string and ties, bolted the warping board securely, improved position of the cross, moved the raddle to the castle, seine twine on the castle … all these together And the warp looks great! I’ve even removed the breast beam for threading, a major improvement.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Now I’m threading (fingers only!) and have two extra threads in one of my colored stripes. I had planned to do some color and weave 8shaft twills and this will throw off the pattern. Is there a way to remove these two threads, or should I just stick with plain weave so they won’t be obvious? 440 ends and they are around thread 300 in threading.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                            • #174879
                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Sandra
                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Keymaster

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I’d just take them out and hang them off the back of the loom.  Keep an eye on them so the don’t get tangled in the warp moving forward.  Jane does this when she changes one “zinger” colour to another in our very first sample – Season 2: Episode 2.  You’ll be fine 😉

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                            • #175232
                                                                                                                                                                                                                              SaDonna Heathman
                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Participant

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Like another participant (Carrie McBride) mentioned in the comments above, I have a Norwood sectional loom. There isn’t really a castle to speak of for installing a raddle, the top of the loom (Highest point) is at the 4 shafts. I would love to follow along with your warping the loom videos on my Norwood, but I’m stuck looking at this sectional beam and wondering where to put a raddle. I feel like nothing on my loom looks remotely the same back there compared to what you are showing, and being a complete beginner I’m not sure where or how to even begin. I would love some advice! Thank you so much.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                              • #175278
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Marilee Peterson
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Participant

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Hi SaDonna,

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I also have a Norwood Sectional and my husband made some changes to it so that it was easier to warp from back to front, including attaching the raddle.  I made a short video showing it but I can’t attach it to this thread. If you are comfortable providing me with your email I’m happy to send the video to you. Basically he cut a couple wooden blocks and hot glued them to the back of the castle at the top and attached the raddle to the blocks. The hot glue will allow us to remove the blocks if needed and the positioning is such that the raddle is not in the way of the shaft’s moving up and down.  My email is marilee.peterson@gmail.com if you would like to reach out.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  • #175363
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    SaDonna Heathman
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Participant

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Thanks so much for your help Marilee. I will definitely be making those modifications. Much appreciated.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  • #175351
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Daniela Pardo
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Participant

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I’ve dressed my loom, and I’m ready to weave. I’ve noticed that my threads are not flat, they look like floating a bit, any idea what’s wrong?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       

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                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      • #175352
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Sandra
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Keymaster

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Your shafts aren’t exactly the same height – shouldn’t be a problem weaving with just that small bit of difference.  Have fun!

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