Thoughts on 1.3 – Making a Good Warp – Multiple Ends in Your Warp and Wider Warps on a Warping Board

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    • #157711
      Ginette
      Keymaster

        Let us know your thoughts on 1.3 – Making a Good Warp – Multiple Ends in Your Warp and Wider Warps on a Warping Board.

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      • #157712
        mzfiber4
        Participant

          I love the idea of the rubber bands. I will do that.

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        • #157713
          bethmidd848
          Participant

            What do you think about the use of a warping paddle when warping multiple yarns?

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            • #157714
              Jane
              Keymaster

                Hi Beth,
                I personally…note I say personally, found it difficult and slow…but that could very well just be me.
                I started winding with multiple ends and found it faster and easier with no ill effects while weaving….so I just do it that way.
                If you have a paddle why don’t you give it a try…..there are a lot of weavers out there who love them. And, that does mean a lot 🙂

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            • #157715
              lesliemartens2
              Participant

                AAAAAHHHHHHHH I missed this video the first 60 times I went through episode 1 (okay, only 5 not 60) and I am so sorry I did because I have a lot of brain fog and went through hell trying to hold the threads right for warping muliple threads. Thank goodness for Ginette pointing me in the right direction…so grateful for every “trick” that makes the whole process of getting yarn to loom less picky!

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              • #157716
                camero1949
                Participant

                  If I find this hard to do can I just thread one at a time?

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                  • #157718
                    Sandra
                    Keymaster

                      Of course you can! As you’ll hear Jane often saying – “there is no right or wrong, just what works for you”. Try it again the next time you prepare your warp, practice makes it easier for some weavers. My aging hands don’t like holding 4 threads but I just wound a 10-yard warp using 2 at a time – slower than those who can hold 4, but I still have a warp wound.

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                  • #157717
                    camero1949
                    Participant

                      Can I warp each colour singly if I cant’t manage multiple threads at once?

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                      • #157724
                        Ginette
                        Keymaster

                          Hi Camero1949, totally missed your question! You certainly can as long as the pattern doesn’t require a specific colour order combo like the Colour & Weave Gamp. The more you practice, you’ll be able to move from one thread to 2 and so forth. Give it a try with 2 threads, it really cuts down on the time for warping.

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                      • #157719
                        joan horwich
                        Participant

                          How do you secure the warp chain so that it doesn’t unchain until you are ready to put it on the loom?

                          second question:

                          As hard as I try, my threads twist when I am winding 2 ends at a time? I can’t find out when or how it happens- any suggestions?

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                          • #157720
                            Sandra
                            Keymaster

                              If you have made your warp and chained it tightly, you will be fine. I sometimes put my warp in a bag by itself if I’m not going to get to it for a few days. Regarding warping with more than one thread – do you separate your threads between your fingers? Jane demonstrates it in this episode, Watch her hands closely and then you just need to practise! For the longest time I wound my warps one thread at a time, then I moved onto 2 – shhhhhhh, but I still can’t comfortably do four. Bottom line, get a warp on your loom weave it off and wind another warp, over and over again

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                            • #157733
                              Becky Unruh
                              Participant

                                Make sure your going counterclockwise at the cross and clock wise at the end peg.

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                            • #157721
                              Karen
                              Participant

                                Can I use this method to warp multiple colors in a specific order? For example 2 blue threads, 2 white thread, 2 blue threads, 2 white threads (repeat)- It appears that Jane is using multiple colors but may not care the specific sequence of the colors. Thank you in advance-

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                                • #157725
                                  Ginette
                                  Keymaster

                                    Hi Karen, sorry we missed your question!
                                    I think that it could work if you held 4 threads in your hand, one of each colour. I haven’t tried it but when you’re threading, you’ll be able to grab your first 2 of one colour as they are close enough together (within 8 threads) and then your next 2 and such.

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                                    • #157726
                                      Karen
                                      Participant

                                        Thank you! That really helps-

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                                  • #157722
                                    Judy Dixon
                                    Participant

                                      Ohhhh, ditto Karen’s question!!!

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                                    • #157723
                                      Judy Dixon
                                      Participant

                                        I’m relatively knew to weaving (only done 8 warps) and one project was 380 ends and I thought I should only do one thread at a time ….. Boy, could I ever throw the ball far for the dogs after that one!

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                                      • #157727
                                        ingridsochting
                                        Participant

                                          Hello Jane

                                          I’m trying to watch the videos in Season One but get a message it’s only available to members. I am a member. Perhaps I need to renew my membership, but I have not been prompted to do so.

                                          Thanks for getting back to me,

                                          Ingrid Sochting

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                                          • #157728
                                            Ginette
                                            Keymaster

                                              Hi Ingrid, you are logged in correctly as you’re able to reply in the comments. Does the video appear at the top of this page?

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                                          • #157729
                                            Emma Hamilton
                                            Participant

                                              Just say you had to change colour or whatever and broke off and tied to the end near the cross instead of the other end. What would happen when you went to put it on the loom as you would no longer have a nice loop where the cross is to put the back apron rod through but you woud have some loops and some loose ends?

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                                              • #157730
                                                Sandra
                                                Keymaster

                                                  Are you tieing your new thread to the old when you change colours at both ends? That way you won’t have extra loops to try to catch with your apron rod. I hope I understood your question, Emma.

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                                                  • #157731
                                                    Emma Hamilton
                                                    Participant

                                                      Ok thanks, so I guess if you change at the front end you can tie to the last peg, but if you change at the cross end you have to tie to the other warp thread or threads.

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                                                      • #157732
                                                        Sandra
                                                        Keymaster

                                                          Hi Emma, It’s just as easy to tie on to the previous thread, no matter what end of your warp you make the change in colour. You are are not going to be weaving that close to either end, so the knots in the yarn aren’t going to get in your way.

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                                                  • #157734
                                                    Janet Giardina
                                                    Participant

                                                      I’ve watched and rewatched but I don’t see where Jane addresses warping with 5 ends at once. I can manage 4 at a time since there are 4 slots on my hand. Does she have 2 threads together in one finger slot??

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                                                      • #157735
                                                        Ginette
                                                        Keymaster

                                                          Hi Janet, on the Forum, Jane has pictures on how to hold 5 threads in your hand while making the warp. Here’s the link to it, it’ll be half way down the thread: https://janestaffordtextiles.com/forums/topic/warping-with-multiple-ends-sample-2-colour-and-weave-gamp/

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                                                          • #157736
                                                            Janet Giardina
                                                            Participant

                                                              Wow! Thank you Ginette. I’m a new member (have been weaving many many years) and I so wish this on line guild had been available when I started! So much great information and videos. I just had not checked out The Forum but obviously I will from now on. Thank you again for the info and quick response!

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                                                        • #157737
                                                          juliefear
                                                          Participant

                                                            I did the Colour and Weave Gamp before. I am working at mastering warping with multiple ends. I got to:
                                                            DDDD/LLLL and it instructs you to use two ends in your hands. I am thinking ahead to my threading. I don’t see how I can keep 4 D together and 4 L together, when they are woven by 2’s (One Dark and One Light??) Don’t they have to be in the same little families? I don’t see how I can move them to be together by D’s and L’s) I am sure I didn’t warp 4D’s by two’s; then 4 L’s bytwo’s: that would be a lot of tying on. I have looked for this particular example and can’t find it. It’s the only one I am troubled with. Thank you, Julie

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                                                            • #157738
                                                              Sandra
                                                              Keymaster

                                                                Hi Julie, you wind each section separately. Wind D/L together until you have 48 D/L ends in your cross, break off and tie on your apricot. When you have wound 4 of those, break off the apricot and tie on DD/LL and wind those 4 together until you get 44 DD/LL threads in your cross. If you have would the 4 threads together, they will go over your lease sticks together and you can easily straighten them out when you thread your heddles. Jane suggest that you warp the DDDD/LLLL with two ends in your hand. That would be winding DD twice and then LL twice until you have 48 threads of DDDD/LLLL in your cross. Take a look at the photo of the sample on page 1 of the draft and you can see the DDDD/LLLL section in the 3rd row down. That will help you visualize what it will look like in the finished warp. Hope this helps.

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                                                                • #157739
                                                                  juliefear
                                                                  Participant

                                                                    Thank you Sandra. I had done this warp before but a friend just loves all the patterns and I told her I would weave up a runner for her. When I got to the DDDD/LLLL I could not remember what I had done, but I did examine my sample and I did exactly what you had explained above. Whew!! It was the only way I could see it working. Thank you so much, Julie

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                                                              • #157740
                                                                Jody Farrand
                                                                Participant

                                                                  I have found a pattern to make a striped towel. It calls for odd number of threads per stripe ( 25 ends or 15 ends or 9 ends). How do I count odd number of threads and when do I change colour?

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                                                                  • #157741
                                                                    Sandra
                                                                    Keymaster

                                                                      Hi Jody – With odd numbers, on a warping board, you break off the odd numbered warp at the opposite end from where you started winding, and tie on your next colour. You do the same on a warping mill. Check your warp when you count at your cross to make sure you are getting the colour changes where your draft calls for them.

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                                                                  • #160220
                                                                    CLK
                                                                    Participant

                                                                      I’m sorry, but it seems that you are just grabbing some colors and making warp threads in all three of these demos. Do you have a pattern? Did I miss it? Are you actually counting your various colors to make your patterns? Are you just making things with random patterns? Counting my colors is a big thing for me, so its freaking me out that you are just merrily warping along without seeming to care about how many of whatever you have. Thanks.

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                                                                      • #160229
                                                                        Sandra
                                                                        Keymaster

                                                                          Jane is winding sample warps to demonstrate how she does that very important job of getting your loom ready to weave!  I think, at some point you might see one or some of those warps while she demonstrates dressing the loom.  Next Season, you’ll get into Colour and Design and you’ll have lots of fun working with colour.  Jane wanted you to understand the basics of weaving first.

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                                                                      • #163268
                                                                        linda pelech
                                                                        Participant

                                                                          would a warping paddle come in handy for this? i see there are different types of paddles. does Jane show how to use a paddle?

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                                                                        • #163275
                                                                          Sandra
                                                                          Keymaster

                                                                            Hi Linda, Jane doesn’t use a paddle.  She winds all her warps, no matter how long or how many changes of colour, using the method demonstrated in the video.  It takes a bit of practice but Jane manages to wind wonderful warps that continue to be evenly tensioned as they go on the loom.

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                                                                          • #165368
                                                                            Danielle
                                                                            Participant

                                                                              Hi! Jane mentions not making a warp too big on the board, but rather breaking it up into smaller warps so it doesn’t fall of. Is there a trick then to holding tension on both warps while I wind them on? I’ve had to break my warp for Asymmetry and design into two and also the 1st color and weave gamp and then I’ve had a bit of uneven tension, which I think is due to trying to hold two warps while my husband turns the crank!

                                                                              Thanks so much! I’m really learning a ton!

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                                                                            • #165431
                                                                              Kellie Stapleton
                                                                              Participant

                                                                                Can’t tell if the threads are staying in a particular order? What I mean is the color sequence of the threads are remaining in order throughout the warp. You don’t want them twisted or laying on top of each other, right?

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                                                                              • #167040
                                                                                Amy Greenberg
                                                                                Participant

                                                                                  Is Jane referring to a particular pattern when doing these warps?  I’m not clear on when it is ok to do multiple strands of different colors at a time, and when not.  How did she know to start with 4 ends and then go to 2 ends at a time?

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                                                                                  • #167072
                                                                                    Sandra
                                                                                    Keymaster

                                                                                      Yes, Jane is winding a warp using the design of a project she wants to weave.  The number of threads she holds in her hand depends on the pattern, how many cones she has of a particular yarn, etc.  It will all become clear.  Am I correct in assuming that you are a new weaver?  If so, welcome to our world, Amy!

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                                                                                  • #167957
                                                                                    Catherine
                                                                                    Participant

                                                                                      How do you manage yarn that is in a cake when warping?

                                                                                      I’ve tried to put it on a dowel in a shoebox but the friction of the cake on the dowel / of the dowel in the showbox is too much, so the yarn tends to slip off the ball and wind itself around the dowel.

                                                                                      When warping with one color I put the cake in a big flower vase and let the cake bounce around. Works great.

                                                                                      However I’m about to warp with several bouts together (for the very first time!) and I don’t have 5 big flower vases…

                                                                                      • This reply was modified 1 month ago by Catherine. Reason: spelling
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                                                                                      • #168052
                                                                                        Sandra
                                                                                        Keymaster

                                                                                          I normally put my yarn onto bobbins – the big Leclerc ones that Jane carries.  I do a fair amount of dyeing and therefore my dyed yarn is in skeins.  I don’t wind it into a cake or ball, that would work for knitting, I wind it onto those bobbins that gives me the control I need when I’m warping.  Another way would be to put them in small boxes with a small hole in the top and pull your yarn through the hole.

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                                                                                      • #168058
                                                                                        Catherine
                                                                                        Participant

                                                                                          Thanks. Buying bobbins from Canada is not really an option (I’m in the Netherlands) – though I wish it was! –  but I guess I can find 5 boxes around my house. I’ll give it a try!

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                                                                                          • #168064
                                                                                            Sandra
                                                                                            Keymaster

                                                                                              Catherine, they are the bobbins that some people use for sectional weaving – Louet makes bobbin racks, maybe extra Louet bobbins would be available to you.  However, they are probably wood, so expensive 😏

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                                                                                          • #168073
                                                                                            Catherine
                                                                                            Participant

                                                                                              Oh, indeed! I went and looked. Beautiful things but pricey.

                                                                                              I’ll start with the boxes. And I will collect bobbins that we have at work for rolls of labels, that will be a nice hack 🙂

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                                                                                            • #168785
                                                                                              Kellie Stapleton
                                                                                              Participant

                                                                                                Best way to warp (using a warping board) for this continuous change of 2 colors, 35x?

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                                                                                              • #169691
                                                                                                Lise
                                                                                                Participant

                                                                                                  I only have 2 cones of black and 2 cones of white (with a 3rd colour) for the Colour & Weave Gamp. I was doing well until I came to the section for DDD/L.

                                                                                                  Is there a trick for doing this one when I don’t have 3 cones of black without constantly cutting and tying my ends???

                                                                                                  Edited to add: I did find a way of not cutting and tying as often.

                                                                                                  If anyone is interested, here is how I did DDDL with 2 cones of dark and 1 light.

                                                                                                  DD x1, DDL x1, DD x1, DDL x2, DD x1, DDL x2, DD x1, DDL x2, DD x1, DDL x2, DD x1, DDL x 1, DL x1

                                                                                                  This will give you 4 ends with cutting/tying only 12 times.

                                                                                                   

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                                                                                                  • #169701
                                                                                                    Sandra
                                                                                                    Keymaster

                                                                                                      You could wind enough for that 3rd thread of black onto a bobbin or a cone.  If you don’t use it all in your warp, your bobbin is ready for your weft!

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                                                                                                  • #169703
                                                                                                    Lise
                                                                                                    Participant

                                                                                                      Of course! I hadn’t even thought of that. But I found a way…see the edit on my previous post. But I will keep this in mind for the  sequences coming up.

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                                                                                                    • #169795
                                                                                                      Trish
                                                                                                      Participant

                                                                                                        I’ve always wanted to try a paddle but haven’t found anyone where I live that uses one!  I’d like to try it first since they are about $30 new I think.

                                                                                                        If you find a good video about warping with a paddle I’d love to take a look (ps I have finished watching this video so Jane may have used a paddle here but I didn’t want to miss responding 🙂 ) thanks

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                                                                                                      • #169927
                                                                                                        Catherine
                                                                                                        Participant

                                                                                                          Could you tell me where Jane is warping with a paddle? I’ve serached all indexes but couldn’t find anything. Thanks in advance.

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                                                                                                          • #169946
                                                                                                            Ginette
                                                                                                            Keymaster

                                                                                                              Hi Catherine, Jane doesn’t use a warping paddle so it won’t be on the videos or the indexes. I think a member was going to try it from the guild, but I can’t remember is she/he made a comment on it afterwards. You might want to try and search the forum and use ‘warping paddle’. It might come up.

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                                                                                                          • #169929
                                                                                                            Catherine
                                                                                                            Participant

                                                                                                              Reporting on the small boxes solution.

                                                                                                              It was not good. Not at all. The boxes kept moving, the yarn kept tangling, it was the most difficult warp to thread ever.

                                                                                                              When on the loom, it had the dramatic tension issues at beaming the warp. With lease sticks, going very very slow I have beamed it in a shape that looks OK. At the end of the beaming (I warp F2B) there was a difference of sometimes more than 10 cm in length between threads.

                                                                                                              Maybe it’s got something to do with the cotton I used (mercerized with much twist).

                                                                                                              I’ll have to find a better solution otherwise I’ll never do a color&weave warp ever again!

                                                                                                              I’m hoping the gamp will make up for all these difficulties…

                                                                                                               

                                                                                                               

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                                                                                                              • #169940
                                                                                                                Sandra
                                                                                                                Keymaster

                                                                                                                  Please don’t give up on Colour and Weave, Catherine – it’s one of the most versatile weaves in  PW and so much fun.  Sorry, you had so much trouble warping the loom.  That is why I use bobbins to hold my yarn while I warp.  I don’t recall ever using the balls myself but I have heard of it being done successfully.  Were they centre pull balls?  Also – I can’t seem to master holding multiple threads in my hand, but thought if you could, it would speed up your warping.  I wind the slow way – 2 or 3 threads at a time – and it works for me.  As Jane always says – there is no right way or wrong way to do something – just the way that works for you.

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                                                                                                              • #169942
                                                                                                                Catherine
                                                                                                                Participant

                                                                                                                  Thanks for the good words. I’m not giving up: the warp is on the loom and behaving, I hope to reap the fruits of my efforts. But I’ll change my technique for the next one, for sure.

                                                                                                                  Interesting that you say you cannot master multiple threads – I will less dumb 🙂
                                                                                                                  Thanks for sharing this!

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                                                                                                                • #169952
                                                                                                                  Trish
                                                                                                                  Participant

                                                                                                                    I’m still fumbling around trying to follow – so sorry to ask this question – but is the Colour and Weave you mention below a different pattern?  I just received the pattern for the towels (donation basis) and was wondering if that is something happening with that towel warp. thanks

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