Season 3: Episode 7: Double Width, Double Layers

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    • #83690
      Sandra
      Keymaster

        Ever wished your loom was wider?  Double Width – Double Layers have arrived!

        Share your samples and ask your questions here.

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      • #84005
        Jacqueline
        Participant

          I am wondering how hemstitching would be done with the two layers. Is it possible to do them separately while on the loom? Perhaps when I get the loom warped this will become clear to me but at the moment it is holding me back until I can wrap my head around it! Thanks!

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          • #100696
            Susan Jaken
            Participant

              Jacqueline – did you figure out your hemstitching approach?

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          • #84041
            totsie
            Participant

              Re: the thread that you pulled out and substituted for a slippery one: why don’t you just warp that thread into the mix? or why not just sley one thread instead of two for the fold?

              i’m enjoying all your videos. thanks so much!

              Totsie

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            • #84047
              Jean Revere
              Participant

                I was given a ton of Harrisville Highland wool which is heavier than Harrisvile Sheltland.  I would like to weave a double layer blanket.  What sett would you recommend? I wove a double width blanket from a kit that used a Big Burly yarn set at 6ep1 (3 per layer). Harrisville Highland is not that chunky.  Suggestions?

                Thank you

                 

                 

                 

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                • #84108
                  NANCY
                  Participant

                    I love this episode!  I too am wondering how do you figure out the sett for other fibers in double width?

                    thank you!

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                  • #84149
                    Ginette
                    Keymaster

                      Hi Jean,

                      I would sample with it for sure. You could do the wraps first on a ruler and open it up a tad if you plan on fulling it like we do with the Harrisville Shetland. If you put on a 3 yard warp, 12-15″ wide, that will give you a few good samples to test with and you’ll be able to open up the sett or bring it in closer after you’ve fulled the first sample if it’s not the right sett. How great it is that you’ve been given quite a bit of it! Love those gifts 🙂

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                    • #89391
                      Jean Revere
                      Participant

                        <img src=”https://janestaffordtextiles.com/wp-content/uploads/hm_bbpui/89391/a9smnm3z8j1hmqy1uyhpi97kfml5pi2l.jpg&#8221; alt=”IMG_2878″ /

                        DONE!! I did a few samples and it turned out that 16 epi (8 for each layer) worked out fine. I was surprised because I have Harrisville Highland which is heavier than the shetland. Just fulled it and it is soft and has a wonderful drape

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                        • #89393
                          Sandra
                          Keymaster

                            Stunning, Jean!  Absolutely stunning 👏👏👏

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                      • #86038
                        Freda
                        Participant

                          Hi

                          I love double weave but I never really took the time to understand it.  Now I do!  Thank you.

                          I have woven my sample now ready for my shawl.  (So glad I did!)  I used my counterbalanced Leclerc fanny and I was nervous I wouldn’t get a good shed and I did!!!!   Using the colours I have on hand as I am trying to use up my stash.  I lost my mind at one point and beat too heavily (in the middle) so my weft white stripes are too bright.  I managed ok with the fold.  I forgot to leave a dent and I did not use a slippery thread, so pulling out the thread was messy.  Will do this for the shawl.  I have heard you can thread 1,1, for the fold.  Will this work?  I did not splice but will for the shawl.  I have a front loading machine.  A bit of a pain.  I agitated for a total of 7 minutes but I think it needs more.  (I was afraid of over doing it).  Fabric is not super soft but ok.  Not sure how it should feel and look.  Can hardly wait to start weaving the shawl.  Will twisting fringe with Harrisville look ok?  First time I have used this yarn and I love it. Thanks so much!

                          FredaIMG_2697

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                          • #87176
                            Ginette
                            Keymaster

                              Hi Freda,

                              Your sample is gorgeous, love those colours together and they will make a fabulous shawl!  Sampling sure comes in handy when you plan a new project! For the fringe twisting, I actually twist before fulling and they come out just fine.

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                          • #87989
                            Susan Jaken
                            Participant

                              Can anyone explain how to weave with 2 shuttles for Dark on Top and Light on Bottom layer with the join on the left?  Is it just a matter of interlocking the 2 threads at top to bottom layer transition?  Or is it a matter of changing the tieup?

                               

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                            • #89392
                              Jean Revere
                              Participant

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                                • #89796
                                  Ginette
                                  Keymaster

                                    Jean & Lana, both your pieces are wonderful!

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                                • #89668
                                  Sue
                                  Participant

                                    Hi,

                                    I’m using a Jane table loom and leftover warp from the rep exercise which is threaded 4321. I didn’t hear Jane mention any different lift moves for a table loom but I wonder if there are as I didn’t hear any mention of anything for table looms in the videos. So far I find I cannot produce the tube. I have tried both ways she demonstrated. Jane’s videos made double weave crystal clear if there is treadling but how does it work without? I am very confused at the moment !

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                                    • #89687
                                      Ginette
                                      Keymaster

                                        Hi Sue,

                                        Which of the drafts are you trying from page 3, the top draft or the bottom draft? Also, can you try and reverse the tie-up? Lift the harnesses that are not marked on the draft instead of the ones that are marked. For example, the top draft, for the first top layer (T), lift harnesses 2, 3, 4 instead of the 1 and do the same for the other tie-ups.

                                        Let us know if that works

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                                    • #89736
                                      Sue
                                      Participant

                                        No Ginette , unfortunately it didn’t but it’ s more positive than it was. I now have the middle working and one fold . I am following the top draught 1/2, 3/4 but just can’t think how to interpret the lifts for the tube so I can  get 2 folds! Please help. Thanks so much.

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                                        • #89770
                                          Sandra
                                          Keymaster

                                            👏👏👏

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                                          • #89795
                                            Ginette
                                            Keymaster

                                              Hi Sue,

                                              Are you weaving T, B, T, B and following the direction of the arrows on the draft with your shuttle? Basically, it’s lifting one of the T layers, then one B layers, then your 2nd T layer and finally your second B layer to make a continuous loop with your weft and that’ll create the tube.

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                                          • #89741
                                            Lana
                                            Participant

                                              My first double weave project!  It was a lot of fun.  Thanks Jane!

                                              IMG_1549

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                                            • #89803
                                              Sue
                                              Participant

                                                Hi Ginette, I’m sorry to seem so helpless amongst all this lovely work that is being shared .  What I couldn’t make sense of last night was the actual placement of the T’s and B’s in the tube section. I remember Jane’s chanting now. I hope it will be fairly plain sailing from here on.  Thanks so much for your speedy help.

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                                                • #89840
                                                  Ginette
                                                  Keymaster

                                                    No problem Sue! Let us know if it worked out and show pics if you can!

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                                                • #89841
                                                  Freda
                                                  Participant

                                                    I finished my shawl and I love it!  Can’t see fold.  I have not brushed it.   Love the drape.   Learned a lot by doing sample first. Now I want to do more.  Perhaps  softer yarn.  Maybe a zephyr shawl?

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                                                  • #91374
                                                    Susan Jaken
                                                    Participant

                                                      I have unwashed Harrisville Shetland cones.  I’m not sure if Jane’s instructions are for washed or unwashed Harrisville Shetland or whether it  makes a difference.  Would appreciate advice on proceeding or not with the unwashed version.

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                                                      • #91419
                                                        Ginette
                                                        Keymaster

                                                          Hi Susan,

                                                          The draft is for unwashed Harrisville so you’re all good to go to make your warp and try this technique, you’ll enjoy weaving double width  🙂

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                                                          • #91547
                                                            Susan Jaken
                                                            Participant

                                                              The Shetland wool comes in many beautiful colors, but not the type of yellow-green olive I am looking for. The Borg Vavstuga 6/2 Tuna wool does come in this color.  Although these wools have similar weights/yd and recommended setts, the Tuna is much softer and thicker.  Can I mix these yarns in the warp I was planning, or is it better to use only a single type for the double width blanket?

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                                                              • #91669
                                                                Ginette
                                                                Keymaster

                                                                  Hi Susan,

                                                                  Are you able to weave a small sample? That’s probably the best way to determine if you’d be happy with both yarns in the warp. Just weave a small sample, maybe 12 inches wide.

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                                                          • #91439
                                                            Sue
                                                            Participant

                                                              Hi Ginette,

                                                              imageherewith the finished article woven on leftover rep warp which isn’t very pretty but helped me greatly with the technique. Thought I might make some more seasonally coloured bags for Christmas!  Easy when you know how!

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                                                              • #91496
                                                                Sandra
                                                                Keymaster

                                                                  👏👏👏, Sue!

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                                                                • #91498
                                                                  Ginette
                                                                  Keymaster

                                                                    Hi Sue,

                                                                    OMG it’s great! Love those colours too 🙂 They are slightly addictive to weave when you know how that’s for sure. They are so much fun to weave.

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                                                                • #96971
                                                                  Donna
                                                                  Participant

                                                                    A little late to the double width party but here it is and I am in love.  I was so worried about my colour choices, but as Jane says be brave, and don’t fret.  🙂71465809_10157510419829882_6196065923112108032_o

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                                                                    • #98235
                                                                      Ginette
                                                                      Keymaster

                                                                        Donna, your colours are great! So beautiful 🙂

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                                                                      • #106146
                                                                        Martha
                                                                        Participant

                                                                          Beautiful colors!  Love it!

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                                                                      • #100695
                                                                        fudsy1
                                                                        Participant

                                                                          I posted in another location but will ask here too. I’m using a Jane table loom and everything works perfect for a double weave right up until the project comes across the cloth beam and it reaches the take up roller soon as that happens I completely loose tension on the bottom half so I struggled only for a few more rows and have to give up. I tried it twice and with exact same results.  any ideas?   once wet finished it looks fine but very disturbing  about the sloppyness of the bottom halfdouble weave

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                                                                        • #100746
                                                                          Jacqueline
                                                                          Participant

                                                                            Hi Susan, as it happens I started a different project and have not tackled double weave as of yet. I didn’t get a response but I seem to recollect hearing that you don’t hemstitch but just fringe twist? It would be nice to know going forward. Any suggestions would be great!

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                                                                            • #101135
                                                                              Ginette
                                                                              Keymaster

                                                                                Hi Susan and Jacqueline,

                                                                                I think it would be quite difficult to  hemstitch your bottom layer on the loom. You could try and hemstitch off the loom before you wash it. I would just twist fringes and not worry about the hemstitching.

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                                                                            • #101396
                                                                              Jacqueline
                                                                              Participant

                                                                                Thanks Ginette!

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                                                                              • #106145
                                                                                Martha
                                                                                Participant

                                                                                  I’ve finally planned my blanket for double weave.   I have a 24″ Ashford table loom which I’d like to use for this project.  Do you think this is reasonable for a double weave blanket, or should I stick with my 4H floor loom?

                                                                                  Thanks for your insights.

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                                                                                • #113662
                                                                                  strong61
                                                                                  Participant

                                                                                    Hi, I’m Leslie Strong.  This is the first time I have tried to work with wool.

                                                                                    The episode on double weave has given me a great opportunity to learn especially that I have a David 70cm floor loom.  I did not buy the Harrisville Shetland, instead when I was in PEI I thought I would be brave and try out some spun wool for the Belfast Mini Mills.  It was a 3ply, 2 oz skein, 225 yds – 100% super wash.    Well, I ran into many obstacles.  First time ever with warping difficulties. The mouth on shed 3 was not very wide and caught the wool many times.  The wool had a tendency to jam the heddles as it accumulated in light clumps and in the weave.  So many soft wool fibers floating all over the place. I did not give up. Here is two shawls that look like throws instead.  Colors more apparent in one than the other.DoubleweaveIts probably the wool I used.

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                                                                                  • #120606
                                                                                    mfwilsonelm
                                                                                    Participant

                                                                                      I would like to try the double width with unmercerized cotton 8/2 Brassard and am wondering if the sett should be a bit less than the 20epi I would normally use. Any thoughts would be appreciated. Thanks

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                                                                                      • #153518
                                                                                        Ginette
                                                                                        Keymaster

                                                                                          Hi mfwilsonelm,

                                                                                          I would try 18 EPI for double width with 8/2 cotton. 20 might be a bit tight.

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                                                                                      • #153418
                                                                                        Sue Barker
                                                                                        Participant

                                                                                          Hi all,

                                                                                          My question is regarding reed choice. I don’t have an 8-dent reed but have a 6 and a 12.  Would it be better to use the 6 (sley 2-3-3) or the 12 (sley 1-1-2) to achieve my 16 epi? Or does it matter? I’m using the kit, so Harrisville Shetland.

                                                                                          Thanks! — sue b

                                                                                           

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                                                                                          • #153519
                                                                                            Ginette
                                                                                            Keymaster

                                                                                              Hi Sue,

                                                                                              Hoping someone will chime in that has used a 12 dent reed, but I’m thinking it may abrase the Harrisville Shetland. I normally use a more open reed when weaving with this yarn. But you have both reeds so if using the 12, watch the yarn. If it doesn’t cause problems, then you’d be good to keep going.

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                                                                                          • #153546
                                                                                            Sue Barker
                                                                                            Participant

                                                                                              Thanks Ginette.

                                                                                              I’ve also been told that the Harrisville Shetland is sticky so maybe would be better to not have 3 ends in a dent? I think I’ll take a length of the yarn and run it back and forth through the 12-dent reed to see how much abrasion there is.

                                                                                              Guess I’ll just have to do some sampling 🙂

                                                                                              –sue b

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                                                                                            • #155185
                                                                                              Cathy
                                                                                              Participant

                                                                                                Sue – Have you tried the double width in your 12-dent reed? I only have a 12 dent for the loom I’d prefer to use, but have an 8-dent for my smaller loom. If you’ve been successful using the 12 dent, I would attempt it, too.

                                                                                                Cathy

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                                                                                              • #155197
                                                                                                Sue Barker
                                                                                                Participant

                                                                                                  Hi Cathy,

                                                                                                  No, I haven’t dressed my loom for this yet — my daughter made a request for something and I’m working on that first. And I’ve ordered an 8-dent reed, so if it ever gets here I’ll be using the suggested size.

                                                                                                  Sorry I couldn’t help!

                                                                                                  –Sue b

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                                                                                                • #165720
                                                                                                  Cathy
                                                                                                  Participant

                                                                                                    This was just magical, from creating a double layer of fabric on the loom to the transformation that washing and brushing made. I wanted a blanket, so increased the width in the reed to 24″ and wove about 75″ on the loom. (I was so excited to wet finish I forgot to measure off loom before washing). Finished size is 37 1/2  x 59.IMG_4657crop

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                                                                                                  • #165722
                                                                                                    Cathy
                                                                                                    Participant

                                                                                                      I used a 5 dent reed for this project, sleyed 3-3-3-4 and wet finishing removed all irregularities in the spacing.BlanketBeforeAfter

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                                                                                                      • #165735
                                                                                                        Sandra
                                                                                                        Keymaster

                                                                                                          What a beautiful blankie you’ve created, Cathy!  The photos that you’ve shared are great visuals and will be helpful to others, thank you.  👏👏👏

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